Chris Simon

[I like Boobs]

People are rightfully questioning Simon's poor fight card and his penchant for bailing on fights is now "piling on" and "jackals." LOL you can't make this stuff up. 30 threads on Kocur's "poor fight card" and yet one thread questioning Simon's and already you're calling uncle. Hilarious and hypocritical.

I guess when you can't defend, you resort to name calling. A clear sign that you're beaten.

[Carkner]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Put the crack pipe down and look at the picture show, and then do the math

Chris Simon vs Dave Brown Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Dave Brown Round 2 - YouTube

He was sooooooooooooooooooo afraid of Janssens - do you write these jokes yourself

Thank you BBBB. You proved my point even more. An aging Dave Brown took on the young lion because it was his JOB, and he did what he HAD to do for his team. Just like Probie would do. And that's a big reason CS is a second tier all-timer in most minds, and not a first tier.

Simon was actually critized publicly during his Avalanche days for not standing up against Probert in their playoff when Probert was running his team left and right during their series. He was in fact even BENCHED by his coach for it. Yeah eventually he did take on Probert in that series, and did pretty well getting a decision, but it was too little, too late, in most people's minds. Probert answered the bell like a man, and then he CONTINUED to terrorize Simon's teammates as if nothing ever happened. These are documented facts (Hockey news back then) and I'm sure they can be researched and confirmed if anybody feels like it. Some people may remember...I remember the commentators actually talking about it during the games as well. I like CS, but just trying to balance the scales by keeping it real here. You're welcome

[Carkner]

Originally Posted by Carkner

Thank you BBBB. You proved my point even more. An aging Dave Brown took on the young lion because it was his JOB, and he did what he HAD to do for his team. Just like Probie would do. And that's a big reason CS is a second tier all-timer in most minds, and not a first tier.

Simon was actually critized publicly during his Avalanche days for not standing up against Probert in their playoff when Probert was running his team left and right during their series. He was in fact even BENCHED by his coach for it. Yeah eventually he did take on Probert in that series, and did pretty well getting a decision, but it was too little, too late, in most people's minds. Probert answered the bell like a man, and then he CONTINUED to terrorize Simon's teammates as if nothing ever happened. These are documented facts (Hockey news back then) and I'm sure they can be researched and confirmed if anybody feels like it. Some people may remember...I remember the commentators actually talking about it during the games as well. I like CS, but just trying to balance the scales by keeping it real here. You're welcome

That was always CS's reputation during his playing days. That he wasn't quite willing to do his job all the time...for whatever reason nobody really knows, but it left him out of favor with many of his coaches, teammates, and fans.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by srehm1

while we are discussing simon: Are these bails or some kind of selective balance on simon's part? Brashear gets a lot of heat for bailing but Simon seems to have really made it an artform himself. Thoughts? Opinions? Oh and btw, I love Simon. I think he was a great fighter and is a bona fide top-20 guy in my book. Everyone is fair game on here. we discuss the good the bad and the ugly of every fighter here at RW.

Chris Simon vs Mark Janssens Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Chris McAllister Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Chris McAllister Round 2 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Brent Severyn Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Reid Simpson - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Chris Neil Round 2 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Kevin Sawyer - YouTube

Chris Simon (Chicago) vs Aaron Downey (Dallas) - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Scott Parker - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Zdeno Chara Round 2 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Eric Godard Round 1 - YouTube

Eric Godard vs Chris Simon - YouTube

Chris Simon vs John Erskine Jan 12, 2006 - YouTube

Simon vs Roy Dec 8, 2007 - YouTube

Derek Boogaard vs. Chris Simon 01/14/06 - YouTube

BBBB, do you see a trend here? He had losses, several of them TKO's in my opinion, to Janssens, Erskine, Chris McAllister, Kevin Sawyer, Aaron Downey, Chris Neil, and Andre Friggin Roy, not exactly the creme de la creme of hockey fighters. Tough guys, one and all but definitely 2nd tier and then a bunch of losses to Godard, Boogaard, Severyn, McCarthy, Tocchet, among others.

You keep posting the fights where he beats an aged Dave Brown and they were close fights anyway and Probert who we all know was done at that point so you're just not making a very good case for Simon at #2 all time.

I've always thought he was a good fighter but his willingness was always in question for me and of course he had a bunch of losses to unspectacular foes. You just can't manage to do that with most other top shelf guys like Brown, Kocur, Wilson, Probert, Playfair, Laraque, Brashear, and others.

Take McSorely for example, he had losses but he had losses to the top guys.

Brown had losses but avenged them, sometimes viciously.

Simon was good but not great. His legacy for me is that he had the talent and skills but didn't have the fire it took to be great, almost like he didn't even want to be doing it, similar to Kordic and I can understand that, it's a hard way to make a living but had he accepted his role and embraced it, like Brown did, things may have been different. And that matters, A LOT!

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by i like boobs

anyone else want to post the simon/brown fights? Because i haven't seen them posted in the past 3 hours....

"there are none so blind as those that refuse to see."

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

"there are none so blind as those that refuse to see."

See what? I haven't been in the remember when section for very long, 6 months maybe, I don't know but I've seen you post the Simon/Brown videos about 50 times and they haven't changed, they are still the same videos with the same results.

I'm starting to think you're insane. The reason I say that, with all seriousness is that you keep doing and saying the same thing over and over and over again expecting to get a different result but you still have people telling you the same things and presenting facts and you keep posting videos that don't really mean anything.

At first I thought it was just a fan sticking up for one of his favorite players but it's gone so far beyond that. I am very familiar with OCD as I have it myself, I tend to repeat myself about things that I think are important even if they aren't to other people.

I am convinced you have this same malady and I suggest seeking some help for it. There is no shame in it, it happens to a lot of people. I'm not ashamed to admit it but I'd be ashamed if I didn't do anything about it.

Good luck.

[flamesblackace]

Always loved Chief!!

He was the perfect amount of tough, skilled fighter and crazy as ****!

[spiderarms]

Not #2 All Time

Not even the second best lefty of all time.

Not Top Ten All Time

Top 20- yes

Why?

He had questionable balance, a spotty fight card and limited willingness in the role.

Was he a good fighter? Absolutely.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

See what? I haven't been in the remember when section for very long, 6 months maybe, I don't know but I've seen you post the Simon/Brown videos about 50 times and they haven't changed, they are still the same videos with the same results.

I'm starting to think you're insane. The reason I say that, with all seriousness is that you keep doing and saying the same thing over and over and over again expecting to get a different result but you still have people telling you the same things and presenting facts and you keep posting videos that don't really mean anything.

At first I thought it was just a fan sticking up for one of his favorite players but it's gone so far beyond that. I am very familiar with OCD as I have it myself, I tend to repeat myself about things that I think are important even if they aren't to other people.

I am convinced you have this same malady and I suggest seeking some help for it. There is no shame in it, it happens to a lot of people. I'm not ashamed to admit it but I'd be ashamed if I didn't do anything about it.

Good luck.

Thx for your concern, as for your mental health, I humbly suggest that you refrain from reading my most inciteful threads...ditto.

[acdcrocksno1]

BBBB what is your basis for Simon being #2 all time other than he beat Brown?

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by Carkner

Thank you BBBB. You proved my point even more. An aging Dave Brown took on the young lion because it was his JOB, and he did what he HAD to do for his team. Just like Probie would do. And that's a big reason CS is a second tier all-timer in most minds, and not a first tier.

Simon was actually critized publicly during his Avalanche days for not standing up against Probert in their playoff when Probert was running his team left and right during their series. He was in fact even BENCHED by his coach for it. Yeah eventually he did take on Probert in that series, and did pretty well getting a decision, but it was too little, too late, in most people's minds. Probert answered the bell like a man, and then he CONTINUED to terrorize Simon's teammates as if nothing ever happened. These are documented facts (Hockey news back then) and I'm sure they can be researched and confirmed if anybody feels like it. Some people may remember...I remember the commentators actually talking about it during the games as well. I like CS, but just trying to balance the scales by keeping it real here. You're welcome

You r funny - BTW: go back and read the thread on those that get a pass and the sympathies from the faithful here for being "passed their primes"... Simon was not one of them though he went on to play and is still getting paid professionally - BTW: Whether it was Browns 1st year, 5th yr, 8th yr - the results would have been the same - Where r your sympathies for a guy that practically played and fought with one arm from his Cap days on? hmmm?

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by flamesblackace

Always loved Chief!!

He was the perfect amount of tough, skilled fighter and crazy as ****!

Straight Up!

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by spiderarms

Not #2 All Time

Not even the second best lefty of all time.

Not Top Ten All Time

Top 20- yes

Why?

He had questionable balance, a spotty fight card and limited willingness in the role.

Was he a good fighter? Absolutely.

Now here is someone that is wrought with contradiction. You made my point by answering your own last question, brilliant

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

BBBB what is your basis for Simon being #2 all time other than he beat Brown?

As I have stated - the dude came in like gang busters - dipped a little in the middle due to injury, and then picked up again in his "old age" still kickin a** at a high level. He never gets the pass or waiver here that is reserved for injured or old men. i.e. - Brown past his prime, Kocur's hand, Wilson's back, Wendl's back, Probie aint what he used to be, so forth and so on...you get the picture.

[I like Boobs]

Those guys didn't take entire seasons off from fighting, or consistently bail on fights either. Or fight lower tier tough guys for the most part. Probert put up the numbers Simon did and fought the very best....Everyone has their shortcomings no doubt, but it seems you aren't interested in closely examining Simon's like you are others.

Wendel Clark was three times the player Simon was and had a better fight card with worse injuries. You can't just dismiss this that easily.