Chris Simon

[I like Boobs]

Gag rule?

I doubt anyone is saying that Simon isn't a good fighter - certainly not top 10 - but upper echelon. But for almost a decade he fought second tier guys, if he fought at all... The guys he should have beaten during that era, he didn't... I'm arguing the Washington/Chicago years, not sure why you keep on bringing up Brown or Domi.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by I like Boobs

Gag rule?

I doubt anyone is saying that Simon isn't a good fighter - certainly not top 10 - but upper echelon. But for almost a decade he fought second tier guys, if he fought at all... The guys he should have beaten during that era, he didn't... I'm arguing the Washington/Chicago years, not sure why you keep on bringing up Brown or Domi.

Fine you think he is not top 10, I do. Agree to disagree.

[brawl lover]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Fine you think he is not top 10, I do. Agree to disagree.

I wouldn't sweat it BBB. I'd say that Boobs and Srehm have a bigger obsession on you than you could ever have on Simon..... or Fotiu and Wilson for that matter. To Criticize someone for their top 10 lists after they put guys in that they probably never seen play more than a handful of times if ever is beyond pathetic.

[I like Boobs]

What's your problem? I haven't taken any shots at you.

If you don't think that a huge part of Simon's career - the Washington years - isn't full of second tier guys and non fighting than I'm not sure you saw Simon's career.

Feel free to add anything to the discussion.

[srehm1]

Hahaha like bbbb ever saw Simon play! he didn't know he existed until he found that youtube clip of him fighting brown. It's all good but seriously just as bbbb likes to take shots at wilson or brown because of the love they get-simon is also fair game. The shoe is on the other foot now. Having simon at #2 all-time is fine. but I don't want to hear boo about any kind of backlash he gets on here for it. he has hundreds of threads sh!tting on Brown wilson and Kocur. Now he can sit back and watch hundreds of threads sh!tting on his guy. Fair is fair. there is no need to act like bbbb is being picked on considering the amount of propaganda he has spewed on here over the years.

[srehm1]

while we are discussing simon: Are these bails or some kind of selective balance on simon's part? Brashear gets a lot of heat for bailing but Simon seems to have really made it an artform himself. Thoughts? Opinions? Oh and btw, I love Simon. I think he was a great fighter and is a bona fide top-20 guy in my book. Everyone is fair game on here. we discuss the good the bad and the ugly of every fighter here at RW.

Chris Simon vs Mark Janssens Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Chris McAllister Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Chris McAllister Round 2 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Brent Severyn Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Reid Simpson - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Chris Neil Round 2 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Kevin Sawyer - YouTube

Chris Simon (Chicago) vs Aaron Downey (Dallas) -...

Chris Simon vs Scott Parker - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Zdeno Chara Round 2 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Eric Godard Round 1 - YouTube

Eric Godard vs Chris Simon - YouTube

Chris Simon vs John Erskine Jan 12, 2006 - YouTube

Simon vs Roy Dec 8, 2007 - YouTube

Derek Boogaard vs. Chris Simon 01/14/06 - YouTube

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

I wouldn't sweat it BBB. I'd say that Boobs and Srehm have a bigger obsession on you than you could ever have on Simon..... or Fotiu and Wilson for that matter. To Criticize someone for their top 10 lists after they put guys in that they probably never seen play more than a handful of times if ever is beyond pathetic.

I remember the bally-hoo when Simon broke in with Quebec...he was in a league by himself back then - As far as twiddle-dee and twiddle dum - always consider the source....Its amusing to watch when they garner support as they come after me, they become emboldened like some wanna-be after a few beers - You definitely touched a nerve as they are mounting their assault on you as we speak - cataloguing useless evidence when Simon was injured - Only when Kocur's hand, Brown's age, Wilson's aloofness does anyone get a pass - just chew the chicken and spit out the bones...and have a few laughs

[I like Boobs]

Yes consider the source. The guy who has over 200 threads about Kocur, Wilson, Brown, and Fotiu on the books. All part of the record, right Cookie Monster?

You're awfully quick to point out the flaws with your annointed three. I guess you can't defend Simon, which is why you choose not to... Guy takes a paid seven year vacation essentially. Bails on a bunch of fights...Rather than address that you post the same 4 clips you've got saved and take the easy out. You'll have those clips wore out soon. It's always easier to accuse than defend. You'd have been great in the Inquisition.

And again, Simon was a very good fighter. Upper echelon... But he isn't about the scrutiny you have REPEATEDLY dumped on this board of others.

[Carkner]

Originally Posted by srehm1

I was watching some Anaheim Ducks footage the other day. On one of the discs i came across an incident I never knew about. It was footage of Chris Simon refusing to fight Mark Janssens. Janssens challenges him, but Simon wants no part. Janssens tries to egg him on to fight but Simon wasn't interested. Jannsens tried pushing and shoving him but the linesmen jumped in as Simon threw a cheap little gloved punch. I never knew Simon acted in that manner with Janssens. Basically refusing to fight him. this incident was a year after their two fights when Janssens was with Hartford. I guess you can honestly say that Janssens was in his head! Simon certainly had a healthy respect for Janssens that's for sure.

Wow just watched this. Simon looked like a real pu$$y here. Also watched their first two fights and I can see why he was afraid. He couldn't trade lefts with the guy flat and simple, and wasn't willing to try again. Well I think I can safely say this...and this is why Brown is top 3 and Simon isn't. You would never, EVER see Dave Brown pu$$y out of a fight like that. Chris Simon, you are no Dave Brown.

[BullyFan]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

Fine you think he is not top 10, I do. Agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by brawl lover

I wouldn't sweat it BBB. I'd say that Boobs and Srehm have a bigger obsession on you than you could ever have on Simon..... or Fotiu and Wilson for that matter. To Criticize someone for their top 10 lists after they put guys in that they probably never seen play more than a handful of times if ever is beyond pathetic.

Awww, that's cute.

BBBB, you can have Lover, nobody takes him seriously anyway.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

I remember the bally-hoo when Simon broke in with Quebec...he was in a league by himself back then

Chris Simon basically managed to take on the who's who beatable opponents when he broke into the league. His first 4 years in the league with Quebec and Colorado really aren't that impressive when you look at his competition.

'92/'93
Dan Kordic
Claude Lemieux
Brent Hughes

Nothing worth noting there.

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'93/'94

Kelly Buchberger
Lyle Odelein
Mario Roberge
Rick Tocchet
Mike Hartman
Adam Graves
Greg Smyth
Mike Peluso
Steve Heinze
Glen Featherstone
Steve Thomas
Nick Kypreos
Dennis Vial
Darin Kimble

Some tougher competition than his first year, but certainly no killers on that list. There are some "game" names on there, but none of them were impact heavyweights in the division. I'd say Rick Tocchet is probably the toughest guy on the list (I'd take him in a 10 fight series over all those guys) and he dropped Simon in their fight.

SIMON vs TOCCHET

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'94/'95

Bill Huard
Eric Lindros
Phil Crowe
Dennis Vial
Dave Brown x2
Wayne Presley
Grant Jennings
Francois Leroux x3
Ben Hankinson
Brent Severyn x2
Lyle Odelein

Sure those bouts with Brown look great, but again, where is the serious competition after that? Padding your record with good but not great names doesn't make you a legend.

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'95/'96

Doug Zmolek x2
Todd Harvey
Cam Russell
Kelly Buchberger
Dennis Vial
Tie Domi x3
Sandy McCarthy
Dana Murzyn
Jeremy Stevenson x2
Bob Probert

Are we supposed to be impressed here? He pummled a worn out Probert, but absolutely pummled him nonetheless. I'll give him credit for that. What else though? A couple of wins against Tie Domi? The most serious threat Simon met up with that season was Sandy McCarthy, and McCarthy beat him.

SIMON vs McCARTHY

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And that's it. No really, that's it. Those are Simon's opponents through his badass Quebec/Colorado days. Not hard to be in a "class of his own" when he's fighting a bunch of opponents who are in a class of their own as well. That "class" is known as the second rate heavyweight class.

Simon was a very good fighter, and his free-throwing lefty style was awesome to watch, but let's not get carried away here.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by Carkner

Wow just watched this. Simon looked like a real pu$$y here. Also watched their first two fights and I can see why he was afraid. He couldn't trade lefts with the guy flat and simple, and wasn't willing to try again. Well I think I can safely say this...and this is why Brown is top 3 and Simon isn't. You would never, EVER see Dave Brown pu$$y out of a fight like that. Chris Simon, you are no Dave Brown.

Put the crack pipe down and look at the picture show, and then do the math

Chris Simon vs Dave Brown Round 1 - YouTube

Chris Simon vs Dave Brown Round 2 - YouTube

He was sooooooooooooooooooo afraid of Janssens - do you write these jokes yourself

[brawl lover]

Originally Posted by BullyFan

Awww, that's cute.

BBBB, you can have Lover, nobody takes him seriously anyway.

And yet you have been here 7 years and nobody even knows who you are. Irrelevance at it's optimal peak.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

And yet you have been here 7 years and nobody even knows who you are. Irrelevance at it's optimal peak.

look at all the jackals piling on now....it is so such like wrastlin with 6 or 7 kids on the living room carpet - amusing, fun! - yeah childish!

[I like Boobs]

Anyone else want to post the Simon/Brown fights? Because I haven't seen them posted in the past 3 hours....