Brian McGrattan vs Joe Kocur?

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by BENNETTWOLF

Yeah, i had always read/heard about him nailing big willi as #4

Case Closed: As a percentage of NHL fights to KO ratio - It looks like the nod goes to Curt Fraser. 115 games - 4 KOs

[Stevens Lindros]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

Certainly an unteresting match up a lot closer than people are saying, I can't see Kocur losing a 10 fight series though.

McGrattan vs Cote Jan 20, 2008 - YouTube

If Cote could do this to him I'm sure Kocur could acheive a similair effect. Also on punching power see how many flush shots McGrattan landed on Stevie Mac? Ever seen Kocur land that many and have the guy still swinging back?

MacIntyre's jaw is much larger, resistant to impact, and more solid than anyone's Kocur had to fight except Probert and Brashear. Nothing to see here.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

MacIntyre's jaw is much larger, resistant to impact, and more solid than anyone's Kocur had to fight except Probert and Brashear. Nothing to see here.

Ummm......

I think people have stated that Kocur fought plenty of bigger guys in his career and did really well, I don't think Big Mac's jaw has anything to do with that. Jeez, where do people come up with this stuff?

Mcgrattan might be the cat's meow now because he simply doesn't have a whole lot of competition. He's a good fighter, that's not the issue, but if we saw him during the Kocur's era, he'd just be another big guy among big guys like Ewen, Berube, Poesheck, Churla, Probert, McSorely, Kyte, Cronin, Caufield, Miller, Kordic, Brown, and about a hundred other guys who fought a lot more than he has but I think he would have done pretty well in that era but Kocur handled pretty much all of them so to say that Mcgrattan would beat him is not an educated guess, it's more of an uninformed opinion despite the dozens and dozens of fight videos available showing Kocur knocking much bigger foes on their asses, rag dolling them with amazing arm strength and great balance, and taking their best shots and giving back even harder ones.

Really, Joey Kocur is one of the all time best and that's ok, I don't see any problem with that, I don't know why anyone else would.

Personally, I don't really care for the year 2000+ fighters, most of them aren't even enforcers since they never see the ice all game, they just get their 3 shifts per game and if they happen to be out when their opposite number is out, they MIGHT have a fight and when they do, it's 2 huge guys locking each other out, a few punches land and it's over and they practically shake hands afterwards. They fight because they have to, to keep their job and not lose it to some visored sissy and even that's happening with alarming regularity.

The days of guys like Kocur and Probert who played a regular shift, enforced, and intimidated, are gone with but a few exceptions like Lucic, Moen, Simmonds, and maybe a couple of others who play, fight, score, and hit. Mcgrattan's days are numbered too.

[BaddaBing Badda Boom]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

Ummm......

I think people have stated that Kocur fought plenty of bigger guys in his career and did really well, I don't think Big Mac's jaw has anything to do with that. Jeez, where do people come up with this stuff?

Mcgrattan might be the cat's meow now because he simply doesn't have a whole lot of competition. He's a good fighter, that's not the issue, but if we saw him during the Kocur's era, he'd just be another big guy among big guys like Ewen, Berube, Poesheck, Churla, Probert, McSorely, Kyte, Cronin, Caufield, Miller, Kordic, Brown, and about a hundred other guys who fought a lot more than he has but I think he would have done pretty well in that era but Kocur handled pretty much all of them so to say that Mcgrattan would beat him is not an educated guess, it's more of an uninformed opinion despite the dozens and dozens of fight videos available showing Kocur knocking much bigger foes on their asses, rag dolling them with amazing arm strength and great balance, and taking their best shots and giving back even harder ones.

Really, Joey Kocur is one of the all time best and that's ok, I don't see any problem with that, I don't know why anyone else would.

Personally, I don't really care for the year 2000+ fighters, most of them aren't even enforcers since they never see the ice all game, they just get their 3 shifts per game and if they happen to be out when their opposite number is out, they MIGHT have a fight and when they do, it's 2 huge guys locking each other out, a few punches land and it's over and they practically shake hands afterwards. They fight because they have to, to keep their job and not lose it to some visored sissy and even that's happening with alarming regularity.

The days of guys like Kocur and Probert who played a regular shift, enforced, and intimidated, are gone with but a few exceptions like Lucic, Moen, Simmonds, and maybe a couple of others who play, fight, score, and hit. Mcgrattan's days are numbered too.

As far as McSorely who was on your list - don't think Kocur ever had his way with him - I think that Big McIntyre would be just fine in that era, that is after his first and second season - You know the same grace that we must afford Kocur and Wilson if they happened to look bad in the same.

Joey Kocur vs Marty McSorley Round 1 - YouTube

Joey Kocur vs Marty McSorley Round 2 - YouTube

Would venture to say that McIntyre would be just fine...

[BullyFan]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

As far as McSorely who was on your list - don't think Kocur ever had his way with him - I think that Big McIntyre would be just fine in that era, that is after his first and second season - You know the same grace that we must afford Kocur and Wilson if they happened to look bad in the same.

Joey Kocur vs Marty McSorley Round 1 - YouTube


Joey Kocur vs Marty McSorley Round 2 - YouTube

Would venture to say that McIntyre would be just fine...

I don't think that's much of a venture, MacIntyre would do fine in any era, same with Boogard.

Seeing as the thread is about McGrattan vs Kocur, i think it would be close to a split in a 10 fight series. Kocur had success against bigger guys, but it's hard to compare guys from different eras.

[bruiser11]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

MacIntyre's jaw is much larger, resistant to impact, and more solid than anyone's Kocur had to fight except Probert and Brashear. Nothing to see here.

Resistant to impact? Forget about Godard?

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by BaddaBing Badda Boom

As far as McSorely who was on your list - don't think Kocur ever had his way with him - I think that Big McIntyre would be just fine in that era, that is after his first and second season - You know the same grace that we must afford Kocur and Wilson if they happened to look bad in the same.

Joey Kocur vs Marty McSorley Round 1 - YouTube


Joey Kocur vs Marty McSorley Round 2 - YouTube

Would venture to say that McIntyre would be just fine...

Please note that I said "pretty much".

[rondo]

Wow haven' t been on the site much over the last 4 months but slowly creeping back in with the weather starting to take a turn for the worse.

Anyways scrolled thru and this really caught my attention and makes for some great debate amongst some of the more educated voters on the board.

A few of my takes/opinions on the debate.

Kocur never fought anyone with McGrattans size and style. Sure he fought Grimson, Kyte and some other big rangy guys but none had the JJ perfected like McGrattan does. As stated by a few guys Kocur struggeled with faster smaller guys who confused or beat him to the punch. Image eating those JJ and then having them followed up by a 6'5 235 lb right hand. I think that would have really frusturated JK. While not a KO artist like Kocur McGrattan is a little underrated in the power department. He's dropped Domi, Hordichuck, Erskine and appeared to beat down Peters in their last of many fights.

As for Kocur the guy had freakish type of strength & power. His fights against Link Geatz were very impressive to me not because he won but how he won. He basically showed more strength than Geatz who was much bigger but honestly a little overrated because of his on/off-ice shenanigans.Their is always a little myth about fighters with power because of the allure of the big KO and JK falls into this a little bit. I've watched many of his fights that were not very good and were wrestiing type of match ups. Alot had to do with guys tying him up to avoid the big right hand.

As Pesa stated McGrattan does stick his chin out a little to much and a cardinal sin against Kocur but he has fogught Orr 4-5 x and done very well with the exception of their last one in which he was rusty, only had one or two fights over 2 years/ minor leagues.

I can see McGrattan winning a few with his style and I can also see him getting caught in a few.

[srehm1]

Originally Posted by rondo

Wow haven' t been on the site much over the last 4 months but slowly creeping back in with the weather starting to take a turn for the worse.

Anyways scrolled thru and this really caught my attention and makes for some great debate amongst some of the more educated voters on the board.

A few of my takes/opinions on the debate.

Kocur never fought anyone with McGrattans size and style. Sure he fought Grimson, Kyte and some other big rangy guys but none had the JJ perfected like McGrattan does. As stated by a few guys Kocur struggeled with faster smaller guys who confused or beat him to the punch. Image eating those JJ and then having them followed up by a 6'5 235 lb right hand. I think that would have really frusturated JK. While not a KO artist like Kocur McGrattan is a little underrated in the power department. He's dropped Domi, Hordichuck, Erskine and appeared to beat down Peters in their last of many fights.

As for Kocur the guy had freakish type of strength & power. His fights against Link Geatz were very impressive to me not because he won but how he won. He basically showed more strength than Geatz who was much bigger but honestly a little overrated because of his on/off-ice shenanigans.Their is always a little myth about fighters with power because of the allure of the big KO and JK falls into this a little bit. I've watched many of his fights that were not very good and were wrestiing type of match ups. Alot had to do with guys tying him up to avoid the big right hand.

As Pesa stated McGrattan does stick his chin out a little to much and a cardinal sin against Kocur but he has fogught Orr 4-5 x and done very well with the exception of their last one in which he was rusty, only had one or two fights over 2 years/ minor leagues.

I can see McGrattan winning a few with his style and I can also see him getting caught in a few.

good to hear from you, rondo!

[flamesblackace]

Gratty might end up getting the decision... He is just a big mean man... Kocur would get his shots in, and I am sure Gratty would be licking his wounds too after the "win".

[Plateworker]

I like Gratts. I think he is one of the better fighters of today. One of the problems I have with todays fighters as compared to JK's day is the ferocity. Gratts rarely if ever fights guys that litterally wanted to beat you into the ice, vicious and uncompromising. Guys like Grimson, Gaetz, Twist, MacCarthy, Brash, Prob, Jk, Berube and dozens of others I could name looked to really put a serious hurting on their opponents I don't see that today at all. Very, very few guys. It is hard to judge someone when they have not been put through the fires of war on ice. That style of abandonment while fighting is gone and so to me anyway it seems impossible to say that Gratts would have no problems with JK. I think he would have a host of them, I also think he is a good enough fighter to adjust and give JK some food for thought but ultimately come out on the wrong side of the winners column more times than not. I think until you have been in wars of attrition with battle tested men time after time it is hard to rank that person above them. Personally, none of the new guys including Boogie get top consideration just on that fact alone. It would be like ranking Kiltscko way up on the HW list without facing guys of the caliber or skills like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Prime Tyson and such beating up on a washed up Domi does not count

[Habs # 1]

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