Is Brashear #1 all-time?

[srehm1]

so these guys who have shown objectivity, depth of knowledge and a complete understanding of hockey fighting in thousands of threads are wrong and you're right? ok.

[Bench Clearer]

Yup, it's the old Jeremy Clarkson debate course:

1) I'm right
2) You're wrong
3) The end

I also wouldn't say that objectivity has been used all that much either. Clearly too many intangibles like "heart" (which doesn't mean anything) have been taken into account.

[srehm1]

Originally Posted by Bench Clearer

Clearly too many intangibles like "heart" (which doesn't mean anything) have been taken into account.

how can you be on a fight site and say heart doesn't mean anything?

[Bench Clearer]

Because it doesn't. Heart is a way of excusing fighters who have bad showings. "DURR HURR HE HAD HEART TO GET HIS FACE POUNDED INTO SMITHEREENS."

Brash really did have "heart," he just only showed it on his own terms. People think he did it out of cowardice but he really just did it to fukk with people which I find hysterical. For example, he rejected rematches from McSorley twice, but would you really say he was ducking Marty? Give me a break, he was 6-0 against that stick swinger, and ended that no talent loser's career to boot. He just had nothing more to prove.

[srehm1]

Can someone else please take up Brashear's cause in this thread? benchwarmer is ruining it for him here.

[Costanza]

Marty was a good enough player to lead the league in +/- one year, and spent almost all of his career skating a regular shift.

[nyrpack]

brash always gets the huggy title, i dont think its fair, the guy was a warrior he fought everyone out there and walked away with about 88% wins in my book!!

[srehm1]

Originally Posted by nyrpack

brash always gets the huggy title, i dont think its fair, the guy was a warrior he fought everyone out there and walked away with about 88% wins in my book!!

is brashear #1 all-time, nyrpack?

[I like Boobs]

Bench Clearer: you made the claim that Brash is number one all time. I simply showed why he wasn't.... Probert terrified him. The video evidence and length between fights plus the sudden "change" in style after a near decade demonstrate my point. You can pump Brashear's tires all you want, I broke their fight series down, I KNOW the difference. Brash himself admits he was terrified.

If you keep saying he's number one I get that... You like "your" guy. But the fact remains that Probert won their series, Brashear avoided him for almost a decade, and bailed in their last fight. All reasons why Probert is ahead of Brash all time. All reasons why Brash isn't number one all time. I have evidence to support everything I claim. You have opinion. I know which one I consider more valid.

[2,5,10GameMatch]

"Heart" means everything, ties in with "the will to survive" and made NHLers out of some men who had no business playing in the league, it also garner's "respect" from your peer's, etc....now unless you're a puke?? that doesnt matter, as a player?? Brashear could be a huge puke, thats why when McSorley played "T-ball" with Brashear's skull, more people said 'well I cant say I didnt see that coming" as opposed to "that dirty rat McSorley"....most of Terry O'Reilly's fight technique was "heart". "human will" can take someone a long way in life, many examples of it in hockey, Brashear wasnt one of them.......I know he had a tough life but he never got rid of that chip on his shoulder, I believe that is another reason he was so loathed as a player.

I wouldnt argue with anyone who placed him in the top 5 but there is no way he is number 1, he couldnt take a career series from a past his prime Probert, had he been dealing with the 86-87 to 92-93 version of Bob Probert?? it's pretty clear to me he would have lost most of them. I think Brown and Wilson would give him hell too.

[Blues 34]

I just watched all my Brashear stuff again recently and after he got out of Montreal he was a fighting machine, strong as an Ox and that left was like a piston, he was as good as there was after getting out of Montreal. I would still have Probert at no 1 but would now put Brash in top 5 maybe as high as 2 will have to take a closer look at my Brown and Wilson stuff but to me he is clearly top 5

[battleship25]

Originally Posted by Bench Clearer

Because it doesn't. Heart is a way of excusing fighters who have bad showings. "DURR HURR HE HAD HEART TO GET HIS FACE POUNDED INTO SMITHEREENS."

Brash really did have "heart," he just only showed it on his own terms. People think he did it out of cowardice but he really just did it to fukk with people which I find hysterical. For example, he rejected rematches from McSorley twice, but would you really say he was ducking Marty? Give me a break, he was 6-0 against that stick swinger, and ended that no talent loser's career to boot. He just had nothing more to prove.

Don't mean to pile on bench'...but this is as foolish a post as I 've seem in a while. Heart doesn't mean anything??? Are you serious??? That was bad, but saying Marty Mac was a no talent bum ...really ???? You must be just a fight fan...no one with any hockey knowledge would say something so stupid.... compared to Bobby Orr...maybe a no-talent ...but compared to Brash.... the jockstrap analogy might apply here. Ask Gretzky who their best player was during their run for the Cup in LA, Marty McSorley.... What he did with limited skating ability was nothing short of phenomenal. He not only started as a bruiser but ended up on the ice during the overtime...he was that valuable. Great team man, solid d-man ..he developed into a top 4 d-man on some to the best teams during the 80's ....

Now that said, I was disgusted by the stick to the head of Brash..I hate stick work. But 2,5,10 is right... he was hated and these things happen to those types of agitators..his disrespect garnered little sympathy when it was his turn.

Top 10 is good for him didn't like his style but you can't ignore what the guy did (fight wise). Wish he started his career the way he ended ( being more open) ...but seeing the Belak and Simon (AHL) fights maybe we wouldn't be talking about him all time. I CAN'T THINK OF ONE GREAT FIGHT HE WAS EVER IN ..I MEAN A CLASSIC ..this is a problem for me. Most of his fights were boring mauling affairs . It's like saying Pernell Whitaker or Wilfredo Benitez were the best boxers of all time...outside of his family you won't find too many agree. They were great at imposing their will and had great records , but their fights were boring and it was hard to gauge what their heart was like.

Bench'... no one is telling you how to make your top 10 , but when everyone is not agreeing with you( Brash being #1) , you might end up in the same boat as the poster that had Cronin in his top 10 all time ...no one agreed with him either.

Calling Marty Mac a no talent reminded me of when Fotiu called B.Wilson ( an All Star) "a bum" ...hilarious stuff. A 3 shifter calling an All Star a bum...that's rich.

[BENNETTWOLF]

Off the subject but mcsorley may have really defined the term "enforcer" besides making himself into a top 4 blueliner from modest beginnings as a frequent fighter.

Absolutely "all heart" besides being in my top 10.............and i never liked the guy except in baltimore. "Marty Moose"

[BigBad]

1) Probie.
2) Brown.
3) Brashear. ( Could not stand him but so effective)
4) Laraque. ( Might be 3 if he would have finished the job on Brashear).
5) Wilson. ( Might have been the most gifted but just did not do enough)
6) Twist. ( Roids or.. well roids but was a monster for a while)
7) Boogard.
8) Grimson.
9) Kocur.
10) MacKenzie / McSorley.

Hm. Gillies, Playfair, Semenko, Fotiu, Nystrom, McGarthy, Simon.

Damn my first post for a long time and my first (and last) all time list..

[Churla22]

Not mine, but I think he has an argument.