Bad Call, that decision is not mine!

[BOSTONMASSACRE]

Brashear and Laraque Rounds 1 through 5 lasted a total of 2:26 minutes.
All of their fights...

Laraque vs Brashear rounds 1-5 - YouTube

Bob Probert and Marty McSorely had one fight that lasted the same amount of time.

Marty McSorley vs Bob Probert Feb 4, 1994 -...

Classic.
Larque will always be known as a wrestler, Brashear as a hugger.
Thats just the way it is.
Brahear ducked Laraque for so long it was hard to even remember what happened when they actually did fight...not that any true hockey fight fans really gave a sh*t at that point.
True story.

[rondo]

The wrestler beat the hugger 2x (kd) in one fight but he let the hugger up and the hugger scored a kd. The more I see of these guys the more I don't want to see...

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

Because Laraque let up on Brash, it cost him the fight and got TKO'ed. Laraque lost fair and square. Learn how to call fights.

Did Laraque seem dazed at all after going to the ice? Nope. If you consider that a TKO what would you call Brashear getting put down earlier in the fight? Just because the linesmen jumped in after Brashear's KD doesn't mean he won. They both had 1 KD...leave it at that, now I'm sure you're another Flyers homer with his head firmly up Donald's ass...so I'm just really wasting my time replying to you.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

Godard vs Brashear, Oct 15, 2005.

Godard does more damage including a big cut on Brashear's his left eye, there's a lot of blood. Brashear lands a lot more punches thou and seems to be in control most of the fight. Anyways there seemed to be a good variance on how people scored this bout. There is also the question of did Brash bail out as he seems to pull a Simon at the end of the fight. Brashear ends up going to the dressing room while Godard no worse for wear goes to the penalty box.

This fight was scored a Draw on DYG and the voting here on HF was Brashear 42.7% Godard 41.3% and Draw 16.0%.

Godard vs Brashear Oct 15, 2005 - YouTube

I remember seeing that fight as it happened and thought Godard won it. A rare Philly loss for Brash. Just watched it again and still do.

[BOSTONMASSACRE]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

Yeah, Brashear "ducked" Laraque for so long considering he fought him seven times and never lost to Laraque. Good call, dip$hit.

That compilation video you posted isn't all of their scraps.

D*ck head, that compilation video I posted was 5 of their scraps which was equal to 2 and a half minutes, like I said the same amount of time "Huggy Bear" was hugging "The Wrestler" as Probert and McSorely were throwing down for 2 and a half minutes.
"he fought him seven times"
You f'n clown.
That was 5 of them.
Huggy Bear and Hulk Hogan, good luck with that.

[spiderarms]

As I originally brought out in the opening of the forum, the Brashear vs Laraque decision of a TKO Win for Brashear is one that I totally disagree with.

Why?

1) Laraque knocks down Brashear at THREE different times in this fight with
punches.

2) Laraque is DOMINATING this fight with the exception of "letting" Brashear
get up to fight further as Laraque could have ended it at anytime
by "hugging" him down for the count.

3) IMO a TKO is when a fighter is "CUT" or can't continue to fight on.
In this case, it was neither as Laraque was up the same time as Brashear,
who by the way fell to the ice as well. Laraque was ready to continue
fighting. Therefore, NO TKO.

4) Now we go to the SCORECARDS, most punches landed, most punches
thrown, most knockdowns and the WINNER is LARAQUE.

By the way, not only do I question and disagree with the decision in this fight between the two but an earlier fight in their careers that was given as a decision to Brashear is also incorrect in my opinion. That was a draw.

At best Brashear won two fights in this 7 fight series. At best Brashear is even with Laraque in this series. Brashear won only 1 clear decision in this series, their first fight.


There are many posters who don't like Laraque because he is "too polite",
"not agressive enough" or "wrestled" to much. Personally, I wish he had more of an edge to him and forced the issue more so I would have to agree with them in that sense.

Regardless, whether you liked BIG George or not, he was an excellent fighter and every bit the match for Brashear.

This post comes from a NEUTRAL observer as I have NO AXE TO GRIND with either man. They were both excellent fighters and two of the all time best.

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

If you watched the fight in slo-mo, Laraque only landed one really good shot. Laraque let up, and it cost him big time. Brashear landed a bomb that stopped Laraque in his tracks and then landed another bomb to his forhead that dropped him. Saying Brashear didn't win that fight is like saying the sky is green. You're coming across as being mentally deficient.

Nevermind, Let me revise my original call of the fight. Not only was it not a TKO Huggy's last punch landed on Laraque's helmet. I don't like either fighter, you on the other hand have a clear bias for Brashear less than 10 posts in.

The only ones that are mentally deficient are you and your boy Huggy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDk7jtNNhc

[spiderarms]

Originally Posted by Flyer_Frank

I remember seeing that fight as it happened and thought Godard won it. A rare Philly loss for Brash. Just watched it again and still do.

I think that Godard lands the best punch of the fight but Brashear had better position and control for more of the fight. I think that's why the voting was so split.

I guess I'm not easily influenced by "BLOOD" to give a victory for that reason alone.

As the old saying goes, "you can win the battle, but lose the war". That's how I look at injuries incurred in a fight. Part of fighting is bleeding, broken noses etc.

The big question is did it end the fight? In this case, no it didn't and they could have both continued on.

In this fight I would give the decision to Brashear but wouldn't have a problem with people who scored it different.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Alright. Let's see how this one goes over.

McSORLEY vs CLARK

Wendel Clark vs Marty McSorley from the '93 playoffs. Marty elbows Doug Gilmour, and on the of the most talked about and notorious fights in Maple Leafs history kicks off.

They grapple a bit to start with McSorley tossing a couple. Then Clark lands 3 monstrous rights, his only effective punches of the fight. By the time the scrap wraps up McSorley has out-thrown Clark in the area of 30 to 10 and has Clark completely gassed and hanging on, but doesn't appear to have landed anything significant.

So who won the fight? No Doubt it appears as though McSorley "out-points" Clark on the score card. Clark however merely skated off tired. McSorley looked like that after game? Winner?

[srehm1]

Win McSorley...

[Phila26Flyers]

McSorley all the way. That needed to be asked?

[Phila26Flyers]

This is one I remember from the Riley Cote days. This fight with Arron Asham was all Cote (landed more and better) until Asham got one good punch at the end that grazes Cote's chin and knocks him off balance. I have a very hard time calling that a knockdown. It looks more like Cote lost his balance as he was on one skate when Asham hit him.

This site's voting has Asham as the winner at 57.8% and Cote with 26.9% of the vote. I disagree with that.

This was the YSTB thread for that game: Philadelphia at New Jersey 11/8/07

Tons of Devils, Penguins, and Rangers fans giving Asham the win. Same with a few Flyers anti-homers like BStreetBullies who had a habit of giving wins to the other guy so opposing fans left them alone.

Originally Posted by BLACK OUT

Win Cote , Both drop the gloves with Cote landing most of the shots , 1 left hand by Cote sends Asham down to a knee , Asham gets back up with both throwing more punches , Asham lands a shot but the punch didnt KD Cote .... Cote was losing his balance already but it was a good shot ... Win for Cote because he fired more and landed more ..

In response:

Originally Posted by Orr=God

lol in your dreams

win asham

Originally Posted by hazard5

SHADDAP ALREADY.

you can talk and talk in circles but anyone who has ever seen a hockey fight can see that Asham dropped Cote with that last punch. Cote's head titled forward and his his body crumbled.
KD Asham.

period.

you can see Cote was dropped with that punch.(and its not like he popped back up either. he was woozy.

Originally Posted by nyisles15

Homer of the year award already has your name all over it. Go learn how to judge a hockey fight and then get back to us.

Originally Posted by Scagnetti

Win Asham, not a slight victory either, it was going to be a very solid draw until the KD punches from Asham.

LOL seriously Scag?

Here is BSB talking about why it's a win for Cote but curiously giving Asham the win:

Originally Posted by BStreetBullies

Cote early, Asham late. Asham landed that last punch that knocked Cote off balance, otherwise, if they continue to trade Cote gets the edge. Cote landed more quality punches, but Asham gets the KD win here.

Voices of reason:

Originally Posted by psustu

Some of you guys are laughable..
This was a Draw. Great Fight, but Cote Stunned Asham, then Asham stunned Cote, just because Cote goes down at the end, it is not a loss.. Had he gone down like Fridge last year, then it would clearly be a loss....

Originally Posted by chris mcallister

Cote was knocked off balance by a punch to the right shoulder after watching it again.

Originally Posted by Corpse

That was no knockdown but rather perfect timing. Asham threw the punch just as Cote was pulling back to throw one which due to momentum he fell over. Had he not been falling back that baby might have hit him dead on. Either way great fight and slight Edge to Asham.

Originally Posted by ColtonOrrNYR

I guess I have to say that I'm in the minority and actually give it to Cote. I honestly don't care for either team equally, but it just seemed like Cote was off balance there at the end. In addition to that, it just seemed to me like he was getting the better shots.

Definitely could see the other point of view, but I just happen to think that Cote gets the edge here.

You decide!

Cote vs Asham Nov 8, 2007 - YouTube

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

If there was a way for words to show up slower on the computer screen, it would be perfect for you. Brashear was able to weather the storm and not only come back, but he floored Laraque and that was it, end of discussion. By the way, his last punch landed on Laraque's forehead. Not only are you slow, but you're blind as well. Great insight, Helen Keller.

Now you post a horrendous cheap shot? What is wrong with you?? Mcsoreloser was another guy that got pummeled by Beashear every time he tried. So what does he do knowing he can't beat Brash? He goes for the baseball swing.

It looks like from the angel the camera is at that Brashears punch hit Laraque's helmet. He bounced right back up so it didn't faze him either way. Now I know you'll have a fit, and view it from a Brash homer's point of view so I'm better off explaining this to my dog. You can't definitively tell if that last punch landed, you're just pulling **** out of your ass.

I also find it funny how you seemingly brush off Huggy getting put down time and time again. Now once you're done crying about that "horrendous cheap shot" you'll realize that if Huggy just obliged and fought Marty....he wouldn't have been staring blankly up at the rafters.

I genuinely feel bad that happened to a clean honest player like Brashear.

[Killah_punk]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

This is one I remember from the Riley Cote days. This fight with Arron Asham was all Cote (landed more and better) until Asham got one good punch at the end that grazes Cote's chin and knocks him off balance. I have a very hard time calling that a knockdown. It looks more like Cote lost his balance as he was on one skate when Asham hit him.

This site's voting has Asham as the winner at 57.8% and Cote with 26.9% of the vote. I disagree with that.

This was the YSTB thread for that game: Philadelphia at New Jersey 11/8/07

Tons of Devils, Penguins, and Rangers fans giving Asham the win. Same with a few Flyers anti-homers like BStreetBullies who had a habit of giving wins to the other guy so opposing fans left them alone.



In response:








LOL seriously Scag?

Here is BSB talking about why it's a win for Cote but curiously giving Asham the win:



Voices of reason:









You decide!

Cote vs Asham Nov 8, 2007 - YouTube

Here's the slowmo of the fight. @1:11 Asham lands a bomb on Cote's jaw.

Cote - Asham (slowmo) 11/8/2007 - YouTube

[Killah_punk]

As for the Wendel Clark vs Marty McSorley from the '93 playoffs. Even Clark would agree McSorely won that fight.