Bad Call, that decision is not mine!

[spiderarms]

Two people see a fight and arrive at a totally different opinion.

Maybe one guy places a value on one thing more than another?

Maybe it comes down to the impact of the punches and how they are perceived?

Maybe one guy has a bias against one of the fighters?

Anyway you slice it, you don't agree with the popular opinion of your fellow posters and you see the fight with a different outcome.

Is there a fight that comes to mind immediately when you read this thread?

For me, its a fight that is between George Laraque and Donald Brashear on Oct 27, 2007 of their fight series together.

Laraque is totally in control of the fight and is pounding away on Brashear swinging him around like a ragdoll. He has knocked him down at least twice with punches, maybe even a third time.

All that George really needs to do is just jump on top of him and the fight is over, he wins, no contest. But instead, he lets him up and they start throwing as Brashear lands two punches to Laraques helmet putting him down as the refs immediately move in.

Laraque IMMEDIATELY gets up with no damage.

I look at the results and Brashear is given a TKO by many. Clearly this is a KD but then again, Laraque has done this to Brashear at least twice earlier in the fight.

Laraque could have continued NO PROBLEM.

This is NOT a TKO IMO and Laraque should have been given the decision.

I do not agree.

Well that's one that I have, now lets hear about yours!

[Killah_punk]

Godard vs Brashear, Oct 15, 2005.

Godard does more damage including a big cut on Brashear's his left eye, there's a lot of blood. Brashear lands a lot more punches thou and seems to be in control most of the fight. Anyways there seemed to be a good variance on how people scored this bout. There is also the question of did Brash bail out as he seems to pull a Simon at the end of the fight. Brashear ends up going to the dressing room while Godard no worse for wear goes to the penalty box.

This fight was scored a Draw on DYG and the voting here on HF was Brashear 42.7% Godard 41.3% and Draw 16.0%.

Godard vs Brashear Oct 15, 2005 - YouTube

[brawl lover]

Eric Cairns VS. Todd Fedoruk in '03 when it was determined that Cairns won the fight...the next day when it was announced that Fedoruk had a broken orbital. Until then it was all Fedoruk and what a thread that was... YSTB was the shyt back then.

[mikebflorida]

Most of the voting here is just disgusting, it's a bunch of kids on mommy's puter with nothing better to do than to vote like a retard so I lend it no credence at all.

Sometimes I see a fight differently than others do, BBBB is a good example with his million postings of Brown vs Simon claiming Simon "beat him up", "tore him a new one", "owned him" and other such descriptive, retarded phrases since anyone else can see it was a good, close fight, maybe an edge for Simon. No big deal. But some folks just go overboard and see things non-objectively for whatever reasons.

Brashear is the worst all time in my opinion for seatbelting fights where he lands a few and then bails only to claim victory and many folks on this site are happy to give him that victory no matter how cheap and lame it is but a win is a win. I'll bet he has at least 50 fights in his resume where he lands a few noogies and the fight ends if they fall or refs get in because he's hugging the opponent to death. Disgusting but effective as it's made many reviewers here turn him into a top 5 all time fighter of which he simply is not. Top 5 is reserved for men with heart who don't like douchebags and don't bail on fights just to pick up a cheap victory.

I absolutely think Laraque owned Brash in that fight and Brash got a lucky shot in and the refs break it up when Laraque clearly was winning and could easily have dished out more punishment, that much is obvious but Brash get s a TKO win? How friggin dumb is that? It's typical though and why I hate to even rate fights anymore.

[pesadillamal]

That Laraque fight was a great example Spider. I thought Brashear was trying out to play Bernie in Weekend at Bernie's Part 3 for m ost the fight. I give him great credit for getting up and fighting back but I don't give him the win . The punch that knocked Laraque down hit helmet on top of it all.

I'll give two examples against my Rangers.

Fotiu - Schoenfeld. Schoenfeld was landing better and was out muscled to the ice. I don't think he landed so much better to win the fight but I think it was a clear draw.

Domi - Probert 1. I have said I was at the game and it was a big win for the Rangers and their fans, and I will always remember it that way. But when judging the fight on what actually landed it looks like a draw, and one could say edge Probert if they wanted to. Blood means nothing to me if the player bleeding continues to fight. That is also why I still think Brashear won that fight with Godard that Killah posted.

[battleship25]

Fotiu - Wilson D
Wensink- Wilson D
Simon - Sandy Mac D
Brown - Simon 1-0-1 with edge only to Simon
Marty Mac - Clark 93 playoff classic W for MM

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

Obviously, you're coming off as nothing more than a blatant Brashear hater. You claim that "Brashear is the worst all time in my opinion for seatbelting fights where he lands a few and then bails only to claim victory and many folks on this site are happy to give him that victory no matter how cheap and lame it is but a win is a win". That is just retarded. In terms of sheer beatdown wins, I don't think anyone has more with the exceptions of Probert, Brown, and Twist. The dude flat out dominated opponents, and you're shrugging them off like they're nothing. That's beyond disgusting. Give me a break.

Also, Brashear TKO'ed Laraque in that fight. Laraque was clearly winning until Brashear floored him in the end. Just another case of acute Brashear Hating Syndrome.

You make the case for me. You obviously like Brashear and thus are willing to give him a win for one lucky helmet shot and the refs break it up after he got a beating from BGL. BRASHEAR LOST THAT FIGHT. Far smarter fight fans than me have said so but I gave Laraque the win because he beat the piss out of Brashear, not because he fell down and the refs jumped in at the first opportunity. That's how it goes sometimes but you still have to call the fight fairly.

Brashear gives me plenty of reasons to not like him but I'm not going to call his fights unfairly. He does have some dominating wins, never said he didn't but for every dominant win he has a "win" where he lands a couple noogies and wrestles around til it's broken up. Cheap wins in my book but the Brash ball lickers sure don't mind it when they see his record. It is what it is.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

Godard vs Brashear, Oct 15, 2005.

Godard does more damage including a big cut on Brashear's his left eye, there's a lot of blood. Brashear lands a lot more punches thou and seems to be in control most of the fight. Anyways there seemed to be a good variance on how people scored this bout. There is also the question of did Brash bail out as he seems to pull a Simon at the end of the fight. Brashear ends up going to the dressing room while Godard no worse for wear goes to the penalty box.

This fight was scored a Draw on DYG and the voting here on HF was Brashear 42.7% Godard 41.3% and Draw 16.0%.

Godard vs Brashear Oct 15, 2005 - YouTube

I'd say that was a draw, maybe even an edge for Godard who landed the more effective shots and throw in the classic Brashear bail.

Blood and cuts don't always win a fight just the same way as "he was more active" doesn't win fights in my opinion, it aint boxing, it's a hockey fight and the guy landing the better punches, not necessarily the most punches usually will win.

I think if you'd ask both guys they'd probably say it was a draw, most hockey players are pretty humble except.....Brashear, he'd probably say he won as do many of his fans. Sigh.

[pesadillamal]

I have never heard Brashear boast about winning fights. Maybe I missed something.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

I have never heard Brashear boast about winning fights. Maybe I missed something.

Neither have I, was just making a funny analogy. Well, i thought it was funny, anyway.

[GOON 21]

Originally Posted by brawl lover

Eric Cairns VS. Todd Fedoruk in '03 when it was determined that Cairns won the fight...the next day when it was announced that Fedoruk had a broken orbital. Until then it was all Fedoruk and what a thread that was... YSTB was the shyt back then.

Holy shyt i remember that thread, it was a classic


The Fedoruk/Philly guys trying to score the fight a draw and i was WTF are you crazy? a draw? ---- Cairns skates to the penalty box, your guy gets sent to the hospital and misses 6-8 weeks of playing time and you score that a draw?


You think he wants to that every fight?, for real?



Ahhhh the good ole days of the NHL and this site

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by GOON 21

Holy shyt i remember that thread, it was a classic


The Fedoruk/Philly guys trying to score the fight a draw and i was WTF are you crazy? a draw? ---- Cairns skates to the penalty box, your guy gets sent to the hospital and misses 6-8 weeks of playing time and you score that a draw?


You think he wants to that every fight?, for real?



Ahhhh the good ole days of the NHL and this site

That's exactly what I mean. Pro this or anti that usually effects people's votes on a fight, that's why i don't even like to do it anymore, it's boring seeing post after post of arguing, name calling, etc over a hockey fight, especially when it's pretty obvious what actually happened.

I did it too when I first came to this site, I was pro Lightning all the way and would conveniently miss critical factors in a fight as to determine who won.

[Boston Garden]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

Obviously, you're coming off as nothing more than a blatant Brashear hater. You claim that "Brashear is the worst all time in my opinion for seatbelting fights where he lands a few and then bails only to claim victory and many folks on this site are happy to give him that victory no matter how cheap and lame it is but a win is a win". That is just retarded. In terms of sheer beatdown wins, I don't think anyone has more with the exceptions of Probert, Brown, and Twist. The dude flat out dominated opponents, and you're shrugging them off like they're nothing. That's beyond disgusting. Give me a break.

Also, Brashear TKO'ed Laraque in that fight. Laraque was clearly winning until Brashear floored him in the end. Just another case of acute Brashear Hating Syndrome.

Originally Posted by pingpang69

Hate to break it to you, but most people give Brashear the win in that fight. You can keep telling yourself that Brashear lost, but it doesn't change the fact that he floored Laraque with a couple bombs.

Now you're saying that for every dominant win Brashear has, he has a "cheap win." Right. I suggest you go re-evaluate your assessment, because you are clearly wrong.

I dislike both fighters, but Laraque controlled that fight until he allowed Brashear to get up and fight back. They both had a KD in that fight, but somehow to brash homers like yourself think that was a TKO for Brash which is laughable considering Laraque got back up immediately.

[lilburtis9363]

Colton Orr vs Chris Simon round 1
Ken Belanger vs John Erskine round 1

[BOSTONMASSACRE]

Originally Posted by pingpang69

Obviously, you're coming off as nothing more than a blatant Brashear hater. You claim that "Brashear is the worst all time in my opinion for seatbelting fights where he lands a few and then bails only to claim victory and many folks on this site are happy to give him that victory no matter how cheap and lame it is but a win is a win". That is just retarded. In terms of sheer beatdown wins, I don't think anyone has more with the exceptions of Probert, Brown, and Twist. The dude flat out dominated opponents, and you're shrugging them off like they're nothing. That's beyond disgusting. Give me a break.

Also, Brashear TKO'ed Laraque in that fight. Laraque was clearly winning until Brashear floored him in the end. Just another case of acute Brashear Hating Syndrome.

Lol
Sounds like someone has a not so cute case of Brasher's nuts on his toungue Syndrome.
Better get that ish checked out.