"Sens Fight Club Big Hit With Fans"

[Sugden Flu]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

A pudgy dude who hangs out at comic book stores.... now you're really scaring me, Doughboy.

Next are you going to tell me how much you bench?

There's only room for 1 internet badass on this site ... and that position is already filled.

I already know hitting a guy in the balls isn't your style ... fondling them is more like it.

You "keeping track of" my posts = creepy.

Pudgy? Not really. Could I stand to lose a couple pounds? Sure. Somehow I doubt a tool like you who spends as much time as you do behind the computer is Mr.Fitness. I've seen plenty of fat cops. You wouldn't be the 1st.

Who's the badass? You? Thats classic!

Ooo, gay jokes! How original.

I wouldn't say I keep track of your posts. But I do enjoy watching you embarass yourself.

Keep digging Jack...

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by HordiBrusk29

Hardly. I rarely defend Lucic. I simply ignore most of the garbage posted about him because it's a waste of time. Occasionally I feel the need to chime in (this would be one of those times) but in reality it's pointless.

What you call "garbage", I call other peoples differing opinions.

LOL. Gee Jack, please tell me how you really feel? That's a pretty low, even for you...

Okay... I apologize. Comparing you to the Frog was hitting below the belt ... you know - a cheapshot.
That was pretty low ... even for me.

Lucic typically has good starts in most of his fights. And yes Neil came back, albeit not really that much of a come back (IMO) and again Lucic took over at the end. If you choose to believe Neil lost because of that incident prior to the fight so be it. It's clear I nor anybody else is going to change your mind.

I don't know that was the sole reason ... but I'm quite sure it didn't help any! Just the fact that you are willing to gloss over a groin spear and disregard it as possibly a big factor in a fight speaks volumes. Would you be so forgiving had it been Looches jewels taking the beating?

If you can't figure out the question I asked by now there really isn't much point in discussing it any further.

Humor me and ask it again young Padawan.

Maybe that had something to do with the hit on Savard prior to the fight? Ever think of that? It's funny hearing people talk about how Lucic is a dirty player.

I have no problem with him avenging a hit on a teammate ... in fact I welcome it - but why the groin spear? That is the crux of my whole argument.

It's funny to me to hear people say he ISN'T a bit of a dirty player. Two fights this year and two incidents (punching Harrison while down). Last year there were several as well. He doesn't give breaks, but recieved them from Boulton and Neil who could have teed off on him. Yes, I know others do it. I know Neil is cheap too.... but we're talking about Lucic here.

If there was one knock I had on the guy going into his draft year it would be that he was too nice most of the time. He wouldn't go out there an instigate a fight or really pummel an opponent if they did something questionable on the ice. So in a way I guess it doesn't bother me as much that he is more aggressive at this point.

I'm all for aggression, it's some of the cheap/borderline cheap shots that both ... oops., I mean confuse or puzzle me. I guess that's because he doesn't need to do it.

Anyway just to make it clear, I'm not condoning what Lucic did by any means. That certainly wasn't the best way of trying to get Neil's attention. However emotions run high in games and sometimes **** happens. Neil is no angel himself. Ultimately you can't be an angel when playing that type of role, IMO.

I agree with that paragraph wholeheartedly . My probl ... I mean issue ,wasn't so much that it happened- as that you say it had little or no bearing on the outcome. I just don't agree.

All that's left to say is that we'll have to agree to disagree. I know I'm not some blind Lucic homer. Am I biased? Sure, I've been a fan of the guy for over five years now. I watched him grow and develop as a player to what he is today. But that doesn't mean I'm ignorant. You act as though I consider him some sort of unbeatable machine that can do no wrong. Far from it.

Agreed.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

Pudgy? Not really. Could I stand to lose a couple pounds? Sure. Somehow I doubt a tool like you who spends as much time as you do behind the computer is Mr.Fitness. I've seen plenty of fat cops. You wouldn't be the 1st.

Yup. As a matter of fact I was voted "Mr. Fitness 2009". I could send you my picture so you could put it up next to Looch's!

Who's the badass? You? Thats classic!

Uh... no? I guess that's another running joke that you aren't in on.

Ooo, gay jokes! How original.

Thanks. I liked that one myself.

I wouldn't say I keep track of your posts. But I do enjoy watching you embarass yourself.

Really? You already DID say that.

Originally posted by Swine Flu
I just like to try and keep track of how many times you can have the same argument

FAIL

Keep digging Jack...

Digging what?

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I don't know that was the sole reason ... but I'm quite sure it didn't help any! Just the fact that you are willing to gloss over a groin spear and disregard it as possibly a big factor in a fight speaks volumes. Would you be so forgiving had it been Looches jewels taking the beating?

Basically you think I'm overlooking what happened prior to the fight and I think you are giving it too much credit for what happened during the fight. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. I'm not trying to "gloss" over what happened at all. I just don't think it had much to do with the outcome of the fight. And yes I'd feel the same way even if it happened to Lucic or any other favorite player of mine. Hell Neil is one of my favorite players as well.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Humor me and ask it again young Padawan.

Let's just say I don't think you'd be defending Lucic as much as you are Neil if the situation were reversed. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the feeling I have.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I have no problem with him avenging a hit on a teammate ... in fact I welcome it - but why the groin spear? That is the crux of my whole argument.

**** happens in the heat of the moment. Why did McSorley club Brashear upside the head? It may not make much sense to any of us but it is what it is. Sometimes people react without thinking.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by HordiBrusk29

Basically you think I'm overlooking what happened prior to the fight and I think you are giving it too much credit for what happened during the fight. So obviously we aren't going to agree on this matter. I'm not trying to "gloss" over what happened at all. I just don't think it had much to do with the outcome of the fight. And yes I'd feel the same way even if it happened to Lucic or any other favorite player of mine. Hell Neil is one of my favorite players as well.

Overlooking what happened prior to the fight?? Are you talking about the Neil hit on Savard? Granted, that is most likely what precipitated it ... but what does that have to do with the low blow? If you don't think that a shot to the groin would at least temporarily affect the way someone reacts, then I don't know what to tell you. Neils knees clearly buckled, and Lucic was able to get the jump and land several before Neil had his bearings. That's also when he got cut. To say that it had no part in the outcome is ludicrous.

Let's just say I don't think you'd be defending Lucic as much as you are Neil if the situation were reversed. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the feeling I have.

How am I defending Neil? He didn't do anything wrong. Do you mean if it were Neil who gave Lucics balls a ride I wouldn't protest as much? I dunno, because that isn't what happened.

**** happens in the heat of the moment. Why did McSorley club Brashear upside the head? It may not make much sense to any of us but it is what it is. Sometimes people react without thinking.

I agree that sometimes things happen in the heat of the moment. Is standing at a faceoff circle really heat of the moment?

I guess you can use the "heat of the moment" defense for everything then.
Bertuzzi/Moore
Johnson/ Beukeboom
Simon/Hollweg
Mann/Gardner
Hunter/Turgeon
Domi/Niedermeyer
Brown/Sandstrom
Maki/Green
etc.........

Hey, I fractured your skull ... it was just heat of the moment.

Sorry I broke your jaw with a suckerpunch ... but it was heat of the moment.

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

If you don't think that a shot to the groin would at least temporarily affect the way someone reacts, then I don't know what to tell you.

Temporarily, sure. Would it render someone unable to fight? No, not likely. Especially in this case as Neil showed no hesitation to drop the mitts. If it really stunned him that badly he wouldn't have been able to fight right off the bat. Not to mention waving to the crowd afterwards. You are really giving that low blow much more significance than it should be given, IMO. But it's pretty clear that's where we disagree. You feel I'm overlooking it and labeling it as meaningless. I'm not, I just don't think it played as big of a factor as you do.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Neils knees clearly buckled, and Lucic was able to get the jump and land several before Neil had his bearings. That's also when he got cut. To say that it had no part in the outcome is ludicrous.

And to claim that was the main reason Chris Neil lost the fight is even more asinine. I never said it couldn't have any impact whatsoever. I just don't think it had much of an impact at all. It really wasn't as bad as you make it out to be, IMO.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Do you mean if it were Neil who gave Lucics balls a ride I wouldn't protest as much? I dunno, because that isn't what happened.

Yes that's what I mean. And I'm confident you wouldn't. Which was my point from the start. This whole debate has more to do with the fact that Lucic was involved. If this happened in a fight between Krys Barch and David Koci it would be all but forgotten by now.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I agree that sometimes things happen in the heat of the moment. Is standing at a faceoff circle really heat of the moment?

It can be yes. Emotions can run very high. Regardless none of us know what was said at ice level. There could be more to the story than we know.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I guess you can use the "heat of the moment" defense for everything then.

Who was using it as a defense? It's simply a fact, not a defense. **** happens out there. That doesn't make it right but it is what it is. I don't know what your trying to imply here. I already stated I didn't condone what Lucic did. But the fact is it doesn't change the outcome of the fight itself as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway I'm done with all of this. We will have to agree to disagree on this matter. Hopefully there will be a rematch between these two in the near future. They are both pretty evenly matched, IMO. And just to prove how much of a Lucic "homer" I am, I'd say Chris Neil is a better fighter than Lucic at this point. They're close but I'd have to give Neil the edge due to experience. I'd expect a much better showing from Neil the next time these two guys hook up. I wouldn't be surprised if Neil came out victorious.