"Sens Fight Club Big Hit With Fans"

[Sugden Flu]

Previous post was painful to read.

[paint huffer]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Okay, I'll play that game Webster ... the definition of bothered that best fit my mood is :
b. To make confused or perplexed; puzzle

Fair enough. Like I said, if that's what you meant, fine. I've already iterated that. All I stated was that I was assuming you were using the primary definition of bothered (To disturb or anger, especially by minor irritations; annoy) as that is its most commonly used form. All I was stating was that it was a very fair assumption on my part. But for a fourth time, if it's not what you meant, fantastic

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

You were intrigued that someone would be confused or puzzled?

We were through that in the last post, and above. The whole interpretation issue. But on this front (confused/puzzled) I can still answer "Yes". Yes I am intrigued that you are confused or puzzled.

Again, you are a smart guy. I know you understand that there are many people who are incapable of looking at their favorite fighter, be it Lucic, Ivanans, Walker, whomever- in an objective manner. And since I know you are smart enough to understand that then yes, I am intrigued by that fact that you are confused or puzzled.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Then feel free not to enter the fray. Apparently the lure is too great to resist?
It's like the guys who post in a thread complaining that a thread is still going...

I entered the fray to point out that I didn't think there was a big deal with what Lucic had done (the ball-spear) because I hadn't went on the record stating that before. And as I am a Neil fan, I thought it was relevant. Will I do so in the future? Probably not, because my opinion has been tabled. If I'm bored one day and in the mood for debate I may jump back in, just for the heck of it. But I don't think I've been complaining about anything, just plated my opinion on the debate at large. You probably just misunderstood my tone- I made a mistake in my interpretation of your definition of bothered, and you've made a mistake in the interpretation of my tone. It's understandable, we've both made some mistakes. No one is perfect.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I'd also like to point out that I'm not starting a pissing contest. I'm stating my opinion and reasons why I come to my conclusion. That is different from people on the other side of the coin who just state that I'm "hater", or IF this or IF that......

I never said you are starting a pissing contest. Though when it degrades to that, whether you start it or not, you eventually partake in said genre of contest. But then, I guess we're both guilty of that right now too. C'est la vie, at times. I just don't know that it's worth my time on a regular basis. But again, that's me.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Then why bother with the whole dissertation if the bottom line is "far be it from me to stop you?"

I could ask you the same thing- why bother with a debate when you know the exact conclusion that will be reached...especially when you've had the debate 10 times? So I guess we aren't all that different after all debating and discussing when we already know the bottom line.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Thank you. I will carry the load for both of us.

No, thank YOU- the 40+ hours you'll spend fighting this battle on my behalf over the next month or so will free up a lot of my time on my end. So it is I who should be thanking you!

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

^ Above post was painful to read.

Above post?


FAIL

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by paint huffer

Fair enough. Like I said, if that's what you meant, fine. I've already iterated that. All I stated was that I was assuming you were using the primary definition of bothered (To disturb or anger, especially by minor irritations; annoy) as that is its most commonly used form. All I was stating was that it was a very fair assumption on my part. But for a fourth time, if it's not what you meant, fantastic

I guess I could use that definition as well ... It irks me that the homerism of certain posters and the unbridled admiration for certain players blinds them to certain things ie; a cheapshot that is quick to be dismissed as irrelevant.

I am intrigued that I intrigue you.

Again, you are a smart guy. I know you understand that there are many people who are incapable of looking at their favorite fighter, be it Lucic, Ivanans, Walker, whomever- in an objective manner. And since I know you are smart enough to understand that then yes, I am intrigued by that fact that you are confused or puzzled.

The homerism of this particular players' fans makes any others pale in comparison. Even the Cote fans weren't as bad.

I entered the fray to point out that I didn't think there was a big deal with what Lucic had done (the ball-spear) because I hadn't went on the record stating that before. And as I am a Neil fan, I thought it was relevant.

It's relevant, but not a big deal? That's where we differ.

No, thank YOU- the 40+ hours you'll spend fighting this battle on my behalf over the next month or so will free up a lot of my time on my end. So it is I who should be thanking you!

You're welcome.

[Sugden Flu]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

FAIL

Never heard that one before. And with bold letters? Thats impressive. You win at life Jack!

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

Never heard that one before. And with bold letters? Thats impressive. You win at life Jack!

^Above post was actually above.


I'm certain you have been told you are a failure before.

I am impressed by your clever use of funny smilies. You are cool.

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

It's stuff like this that baffles me. Are you saying he didn't get hit in the nuts? Are you saying that a nut shot couldn't affect the outcome of a fight?

Could it have? Sure. Is it likely? Not really. Hell you are making this a bigger issue than even Chris Neil himself. Doesn't that say a little something...?

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I'm more of a Lucic realist.

Yeah, not quite. A realist is able to see both sides of the story. Typically yours is negative and critical. If calling yourself a realist makes you feel better so be it. But how you respond to most discussions regarding Lucic is certainly not the definition of a "realist" in my books.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

To say that a nut shot would not affect the way someone would fight is ridiculous.

Not necessarily. And furthermore it's just as ridiculous to claim Neil lost the fight because of that. Which is the point I was trying to make from the start.

Players do wear protection down there FYI. Of course I've played the game and I know you can still feel a good shot from a stick and it isn't pleasant by any means. But it isn't like Neil was smacked upside the head with a stick before getting into a fight.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

By "shut up" you mean "never criticize"?

I'd like to think someone would be able to look at the discussion at hand and be objective when discussing it. Then again I suppose that's what I'm getting with you being a "realist" and all...

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by HordiBrusk29

Could it have? Sure. Is it likely? Not really. Hell you are making this a bigger issue than even Chris Neil himself. Doesn't that say a little something...?

I'm sure if Neil was on this board he would probably take exception to the claim that it's not likely that the nut-spear affected the outcome of that fight. That's probably why Lucic "tuned him up" in their first fight too, right? Have you talked to Neil about it? Of course not, so how would you know how he feels about it? Stupid argument.

Yeah, not quite. A realist is able to see both sides of the story. Typically yours is negative and critical. If calling yourself a realist makes you feel better so be it. But how you respond to most discussions regarding Lucic is certainly not the definition of a "realist" in my books.

You obviously have selective memory. I have said positive things about Lucic on many occasions... hell, your a mod ... search my history. I'll be waiting for your apology.

Not necessarily. And furthermore it's just as ridiculous to claim Neil lost the fight because of that. Which is the point I was trying to make from the start.

Players do wear protection down there FYI. Of course I've played the game and I know you can still feel a good shot from a stick and it isn't pleasant by any means.

FYI? Yeah, no schitt. You're not the only one to have played hockey and many other sports. Let me get this straight ... you can feel it, and it's not pleasant .... but it is "ridiculous" to say that it may have had an affect on the outcome? Did you see Neils reaction?

But it isn't like Neil was smacked upside the head with a stick before getting into a fight.

You mean like Lucic/Lapierre?

I'd like to think someone would be able to look at the discussion at hand and be objective when discussing it. Then again I suppose that's what I'm getting with you being a "realist" and all...

Yeah, I'd like the same thing. If you think that you are objective when it comes to Lucic, well ....

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I'm sure if Neil was on this board he would probably take exception to the claim that it's not likely that the nut-spear affected the outcome of that fight. That's probably why Lucic "tuned him up" in their first fight too, right? Have you talked to Neil about it? Of course not, so how would you know how he feels about it? Stupid argument.

There is no point talking to Neil about it. You are doing a damn good job of speaking for him.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

You obviously have selective memory. I have said positive things about Lucic on many occasions... hell, your a mod ... search my history. I'll be waiting for your apology.

You'll be waiting a very long time. Most of the time you just bicker and complain about Lucic. Occasionally you'll say something which isn't completely biased and ignorant but those times are few and far between.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

FYI? Yeah, no schitt. You're not the only one to have played hockey and many other sports. Let me get this straight ... you can feel it, and it's not pleasant .... but it is "ridiculous" to say that it may have had an affect on the outcome? Did you see Neils reaction?

Yes I did. I also saw Neil more than willing to drop the mitts with Lucic without much hesitation. If Neil was hurt that badly from it he wouldn't have be willing to scrap. End of story.

Either way my point was reaffirmed when you had no logical response to what I originally stated. You did a nice job of dodging the real question at hand rambling on about hypothetical scenarios when in reality you avoided my question. The fact is if the same exact thing happened to Lucic and he lost to Neil you wouldn't even consider the slightest possibility that Lucic lost because of getting hit in the nuts. He would have lost because he "finally fought a legit tough guy" and he was out matched.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

You mean like Lucic/Lapierre?

HA. Good one.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Yeah, I'd like the same thing. If you think that you are objective when it comes to Lucic, well ....

I am pretty damn objective. As one of his biggest fans you don't usually see me trying to pump his tires and rave about how great he is. I'm confident most members here wouldn't associate me with being one of the bigger Lucic homers on this site. Nice try though.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by HordiBrusk29

There is no point talking to Neil about it. You are doing a damn good job of speaking for him.

Thanks.

And you are doing a damn good job of rationalizing and using your Lucic crystal ball and "what if's"

You'll be waiting a very long time. Most of the time you just bicker and complain about Lucic. Occasionally you'll say something which isn't completely biased and ignorant but those times are few and far between.

Pot meet kettle. You spend massive amounts of time driving the Looch bandwagon. As big a "hater" as I am you are a blinded Loochatron. You may say it in a more eloquent manner, from behind a mod tag and earlier join date ... but Clyde & company has nothing on you.

Yes I did. I also saw Neil more than willing to drop the mitts with Lucic without much hesitation. If Neil was hurt that badly from it he wouldn't have be willing to scrap. End of story.

He didn't really have much of a choice now, did he? What is your explanation as to why Lucic controlled the beginning easily, and Neil came back at the end?

Either way my point was reaffirmed when you had no logical response to what I originally stated. You did a nice job of dodging the real question at hand rambling on about hypothetical scenarios when in reality you avoided my question.

What exactly was your "question" ? I must have missed it. And you wanna talk about "hypothetical scenarios"? Where did I use any of those? To the contrary it was YOU with the what ifs.* see example below.

The fact is if the same exact thing happened to Lucic and he lost to Neil you wouldn't even consider the slightest possibility that Lucic lost because of getting hit in the nuts. He would have lost because he "finally fought a legit tough guy" and he was out matched. *

Again with the what if's and conjecture on what I would do or think. To me this was less about Lucic winning - and if you check my posts at the beginning of the year you would see that I said I hoped he had a good year and was off to a strong start - and more about the cheap spear to the nuts that obviously had an affect on Neil at the beginning of the fight (which was when he cut him incidently). He and Neil had a good tilt last season (and Neil let him off the hook when he was jerseyed), so there was no need for the spear. I've said before ... he is a tough kid and can throw 'em. That's why IMO there's no need for the cheap stuff, and he's been guilty more than once.

HA. Good one.

Thank you.

I am pretty damn objective. As one of his biggest fans you don't usually see me trying to pump his tires and rave about how great he is. I'm confident most members here wouldn't associate me with being one of the bigger Lucic homers on this site. Nice try though.

I guess that is a matter of opinion. When it comes to this subject you are not objective by a long shot. I think you are a knowlegeable guy and make good points ... but when it comes to this subject you are Clydefrog with a brain.

[Sugden Flu]

Jacks like the guy at the bar who just won't shut up. "Blah bla blah bla blah bla!!"......Until somebody drops him.

Wanna grab a beer sometime Jack?

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

Jacks like the guy at the bar who just won't shut up. "Blah bla blah bla blah bla!!"......Until somebody drops him.

Wanna grab a beer sometime Jack?

Love to. You can wear your Looch jersey, and you'd better be sure to hit me in the nuts first.

If I'm that guy, you're the little guy who constantly butts in on an argument ... then runs away. Yap yap yap yap yap......

[Sugden Flu]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Love to. You can wear your Looch jersey, and you'd better be sure to hit me in the nuts first.

If I'm that guy, you're the little guy who constantly butts in on an argument ... then runs away. Yap yap yap yap yap......

I don't have a Lucic jersey. I do have a Lucic Fight Club t-shirt that I found at a Newbury Comics though.

While I may butt in on some of your flamefests, I never run away. I just like to try and keep track of how many times you can have the same argument with different people without getting bored with it. Its comical.

Oh, and I'm far from little. 6'4", 239 bitch! Nexttime you're down this way we'll grab a beer, Jack. And I promise not to hit you in the balls. Thats not my style.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by Sugden Flu

I don't have a Lucic jersey. I do have a Lucic Fight Club t-shirt that I found at a Newbury Comics though.

While I may butt in on some of your flamefests, I never run away. I just like to try and keep track of how many times you can have the same argument with different people without getting bored with it. Its comical.

Oh, and I'm far from little. 6'4", 239 bitch! Nexttime you're down this way we'll grab a beer, Jack. And I promise not to hit you in the balls. Thats not my style.

A pudgy dude who hangs out at comic book stores.... now you're really scaring me, Doughboy.

Next are you going to tell me how much you bench?

There's only room for 1 internet badass on this site ... and that position is already filled.

I already know hitting a guy in the balls isn't your style ... fondling them is more like it.

You "keeping track of" my posts = creepy.

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Pot meet kettle. You spend massive amounts of time driving the Looch bandwagon.

Hardly. I rarely defend Lucic. I simply ignore most of the garbage posted about him because it's a waste of time. Occasionally I feel the need to chime in (this would be one of those times) but in reality it's pointless.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

As big a "hater" as I am you are a blinded Loochatron. You may say it in a more eloquent manner, from behind a mod tag and earlier join date ... but Clyde & company has nothing on you.

LOL. Gee Jack, please tell me how you really feel? That's a pretty low, even for you...

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

He didn't really have much of a choice now, did he? What is your explanation as to why Lucic controlled the beginning easily, and Neil came back at the end?

Lucic typically has good starts in most of his fights. And yes Neil came back, albeit not really that much of a come back (IMO) and again Lucic took over at the end. If you choose to believe Neil lost because of that incident prior to the fight so be it. It's clear I nor anybody else is going to change your mind.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

What exactly was your "question" ? I must have missed it. And you wanna talk about "hypothetical scenarios"? Where did I use any of those? To the contrary it was YOU with the what ifs.* see example below.

If you can't figure out the question I asked by now there really isn't much point in discussing it any further. Regardless as I stated before in my mind the question was already answered based on your response.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Again with the what if's and conjecture on what I would do or think. To me this was less about Lucic winning - and if you check my posts at the beginning of the year you would see that I said I hoped he had a good year and was off to a strong start - and more about the cheap spear to the nuts that obviously had an affect on Neil at the beginning of the fight (which was when he cut him incidently). He and Neil had a good tilt last season (and Neil let him off the hook when he was jerseyed), so there was no need for the spear.

Maybe that had something to do with the hit on Savard prior to the fight? Ever think of that? It's funny hearing people talk about how Lucic is a dirty player. If there was one knock I had on the guy going into his draft year it would be that he was too nice most of the time. He wouldn't go out there an instigate a fight or really pummel an opponent if they did something questionable on the ice. So in a way I guess it doesn't bother me as much that he is more aggressive at this point.

Anyway just to make it clear, I'm not condoning what Lucic did by any means. That certainly wasn't the best way of trying to get Neil's attention. However emotions run high in games and sometimes **** happens. Neil is no angel himself. Ultimately you can't be an angel when playing that type of role, IMO.

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I guess that is a matter of opinion. When it comes to this subject you are not objective by a long shot. I think you are a knowlegeable guy and make good points ... but when it comes to this subject you are Clydefrog with a brain.

All that's left to say is that we'll have to agree to disagree. I know I'm not some blind Lucic homer. Am I biased? Sure, I've been a fan of the guy for over five years now. I watched him grow and develop as a player to what he is today. But that doesn't mean I'm ignorant. You act as though I consider him some sort of unbeatable machine that can do no wrong. Far from it.