Rangers Acquire Rick Nash from Columbus

[Plateworker]

Originally Posted by V12_Bi-Turbo

I have seen him play in couple of world championships and I did not understand what his play was all about. Zero heart, zero leadership. I wish him luck but I would go with artem and dubi

btw Can the Rangers finaly develop their own top player through their system or they will always buy 30 years old star and then Chris Drury it

Wow so very clueless..again I feel like we are having the same conversation with you putting Hedjuk in the hall and on par with Pavel Bure...lollllll....

Nash ...a bum for sure and Yep Staal, Del Zotto, Saur, Dubi, Artie, Stephan, Kreider, Cally, Girardi all developed on mars instead of with the Rags.... And as far as how do they do it financially...well Dubi, Artie and Erixson combined make almost the same salary and cap hit as Nash...we might even come out ahead if things go as planned since Artie will get a raise in the next year... and we still have 13 Mill to play with...Do you no why Turblow..Psst..Ill fill you in...those kids we developed on mars don't make much money at all besides Staal and Girardi. all the rest are bargain basement. Please stop posting unless you have some...any... knowledge about what we are speaking

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Plateworker

Wow so very clueless..again I feel like we are having the same conversation with you putting Hedjuk in the hall and on par with Pavel Bure...lollllll....

Nash ...a bum for sure and Yep Staal, Del Zotto, Saur, Dubi, Artie, Stephan, Kreider, Cally, Girardi all developed on mars instead of with the Rags.... And as far as how do they do it financially...well Dubi, Artie and Erixson combined make almost the same salary and cap hit as Nash...we might even come out ahead if things go as planned since Artie will get a raise in the next year... and we still have 13 Mill to play with...Do you no why Turblow..Psst..Ill fill you in...those kids we developed on mars don't make much money at all besides Staal and Girardi. all the rest are bargain basement. Please stop posting unless you have some...any... knowledge about what we are speaking

Here is part of a good read from ESPN:

The Garden will get a Nash after all. After the New York Knicks fumbled their chance to acquire PG Steve Nash earlier this summer, the Rangers sealed the deal to acquire winger Rick Nash from Columbus at what appears to be a very affordable price -- forwards Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, blue line prospect Tim Erixon and a first-round pick. As Nash gets ready to slip off his blue jacket for a blue shirt, here’s an early look at the potential impact:

What it means: The New York Rangers have landed the summer’s hottest trade-market commodity in what many pundits believe to be a steal of a deal. With the Blueshirts badly in need of scoring after averaging just 2.15 goals per game during the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs, Nash -- a seven-time 30-plus goal scorer -- will instantly infuse some offense into what was sometimes a goal-starved lineup. The trade also adds to the Rangers' current arsenal without depleting its steadily growing stockpile of prospects. With D Tim Erixon the only major young asset heading to Columbus, the Rangers’ Stanley Cup window should remain open even after Nash, Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik -- New York's projected top line once Gaborik returns from a torn labrum -- hit the down slope of their careers.

What’s the risk: It seems to be pretty limited in the short term. The Rangers don’t appear to lose much offense from last year’s Cup contender (26 regular-season goals) and bring in one of the foremost snipers in the league. The long term gets a little more dicey. Nash is under contract for six more seasons at $7.8M per year. Should Nash’s production decline, that cap hit could be rather unpalatable in the years to come. Balancing that risk, however, are young guns like Carl Hagelin and Chris Kreider, who could provide substantial offensive production at very reasonable cap hits ($2.2M combined next season per CapGeek.com) during their early service time.

Fond farewell: A fan favorite, Dubinsky -- and his intriguing facial hair -- is on his way to Columbus. Brought to the Rangers in the 2004 draft, Dubinsky teamed with fellow 2004 draftee Ryan Callahan to form the core around which these new-look, built-from-within Rangers were constructed. His grit on the ice became emblematic of the Rangers' character as a team, playing with a combination of sandpaper, skill and desire that won over the Garden faithful and helped return the Rangers to the top of the Eastern Conference. The 2011-12 season marked a bit of a rough stretch for Dubinsky, as he finished with just 34 points in 77 games, a 20-point dip from the previous campaign.

Erixon’s expectations: Based purely on potential, Erixon has the highest ceiling of any of the Rangers heading to Columbus. Regarded as one of the top defensive prospects in hockey because of his solid two-way game, the Rangers acquired the Swedish-born blueliner from the Calgary Flames last June for a pair of second-round draft picks and prospect Roman Horak. With established defenseman Marc Staal on the shelf to start the season, Erixon was pressed into duty a little ahead of schedule, logging an average of 13 minutes over 18 games and recording two points and a minus-2 rating. While the future could be bright for Erixon -- particularly if he forms a top pairing in Columbus with 2012 No. 2 overall pick Ryan Murray -- the Rangers were dealing from a position of strength here. After the trade, the Blueshirts' blue-line corps still includes mainstays Staal, Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi and Michael Del Zotto, with prospect Dylan McIlrath and 2012 first-rounder Brady Skjei waiting in the wings. And that doesn’t even figure in the questionable status of Michael Sauer (concussion).

[Captain Crunch28]

Originally Posted by FightingIsGood

Mother****! You mean to ****ing tell me that the Pens couldn't have made that deal? The Rags gave up next to nothing to get Nash. Would have been a great plan B since Ray couldn't get Parise...instead, he and Mario are probably out on the ****ing links again. ****!

God DAMN the Pens aren't going to win **** next year. Again. ****!!!

Stfu you have Crosby AND Malkin!

Originally Posted by HardHitt3n

he is a stud offensively, defensively not so much, but i do see im getting 40 goals this upcoming year with a legit center as hordibrusk pointed out. very good deal for rangers

Actually he's very effective on the PK, especially with his long reach.

[glovesdroppa]

Wow, at first glance this appears to be an absolute steal for the Rangers. They need to combine the Islanders and the Blue Jackets and move this collective team to quebec, talk about 2 poorly run friggin' teams. If you told me the Rags got Nash I would've fully expected that Del Zotto was included. If I were a Columbus fan, I would boycott this team. You get back two 30 pt guys, a pretty good defensive prospect and 1 first round pick?


Jeez Sather, at least take someone out to dinner before you completely f u c l< them!

[FightingIsGood]

Originally Posted by Captain Crunch28

Stfu you have Crosby AND Malkin!

Yeah, so? It doesn't do much good when the rest of the team around them sucks balls. The Pens aren't any better today than they were when they were laughed out of the first round by the Flyers, and in fact are worse. They need MORE than just those two if they want to have any chance of competing in their own division, let alone the Cup.

[fcm]

The only way this is not a 100% loopsided trade is if Artem Anisimov reaches his potential (what he couldn't really do playing with 3rd line minutes in NYR) and becomes an average first line centreman. Otherwise, I don't think Dubinsky will be more than the rugged 40pts per year player he actually is, and Tim Erixon, well, it remains to be seen...

I don't know exactly Rangers' line-up (and let's specualate for the best), but the Rangers now have a heck of a starting roster. Their first line is outstanding if it is Nash, Gaborik and Richards, but I think I have seen Hagelin and Kreider on the first line too. So? Anyway, when Gaborik is back, it'll probably look like this:

Chris Kreider - Brad Richards - Marian Gaborik
Rick Nash - Derek Stepan - Ryan Callahan
Carl Hagelin - Brian Boyle - Taylor Pyatt
Mike Rupp - Jeff Halpern - Arron Asham

I'd like to see Mike Haley there

(If there are any errors Rags fans I'd like to know the line-up really, who's playing with who).

[Big_Fat_Dan]

Originally Posted by fcm

The only way this is not a 100% loopsided trade is if Artem Anisimov reaches his potential (what he couldn't really do playing with 3rd line minutes in NYR) and becomes an average first line centreman. Otherwise, I don't think Dubinsky will be more than the rugged 40pts per year player he actually is, and Tim Erixon, well, it remains to be seen...

I don't know exactly Rangers' line-up (and let's specualate for the best), but the Rangers now have a heck of a starting roster. Their first line is outstanding if it is Nash, Gaborik and Richards, but I think I have seen Hagelin and Kreider on the first line too. So? Anyway, when Gaborik is back, it'll probably look like this:

Chris Kreider - Brad Richards - Marian Gaborik
Rick Nash - Derek Stepan - Ryan Callahan
Carl Hagelin - Brian Boyle - Taylor Pyatt
Mike Rupp - Jeff Halpern - Arron Asham

I'd like to see Mike Haley there

(If there are any errors Rags fans I'd like to know the line-up really, who's playing with who).

Pretty spot on there, but knowing Torts he will change it around if things are not clicking right.

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by fcm

Chris Kreider - Brad Richards - Marian Gaborik
Rick Nash - Derek Stepan - Ryan Callahan
Carl Hagelin - Brian Boyle - Taylor Pyatt
Mike Rupp - Jeff Halpern - Arron Asham

Nash won't be on the second line....

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by HordiBrusk29

Nash won't be on the second line....

Exactly!

I recently wrote in the Rangers thread why Sather is doing an excellent job of managing the Cap. We were all disappointed to lose Prust but I understood why? The Rangers are basically a young team and have to worry not only about today but also 2-3 years from now with the salary cap!

Here is a summation that shows that Sather actually saved $25,000 in the Nash deal and is being fiscally prudent!

Rick Nash Trade: Will the Rangers Be Able to Keep Roster Together Long

The biggest negative posed by writers, fans and critics about a potential Rick Nash trade to the Rangers was cost.

It was assumed that it would either cost the Rangers too much in players to add him, it would eat up salary space enabling the Rangers to resign players or it would become a combination of both.

However, the acquisition of Rick Nash should not have any effect on the Rangers' plans of keeping the roster together long term. It is a flawed notion that adding his massive cap hit would hinder the Rangers from retaining free agents who are due for new contracts at the end of this season.

In terms of fit for the Rangers, Nash brings a lot to the table. He is an older more developed version of current rookie sensation Chris Kreider. Nash is a solid skater, possesses a great shot, has size and plays in the dirty areas of the ice.

The biggest plus for adding Rick Nash was the fact that this move actually saved the Rangers $25,000.



2012-13 Financials—$13,391,666 in cap space, 20 players signed

At first glance, a $7.8 million cap hit seems daunting—one that should put the Rangers in the red. However, most fans forget that in most trades, a team sheds a significant amount of salary before adding one.

The Rangers dealt Brandon Dubinsky who made $4.2 million, Artem Anisimov $1.875 million and Tim Erixon, who had a cap hit of $1.75 million.

Erixon wasn't on the Rangers roster, but he likely would have been next year; so in exchange for Nash, the Rangers deal $7,825,000 in salary and gained Nash's $7,800,000. The Rangers theoretically saved cap space in the deal.

If the Rangers didn't make any additional moves this summer and promoted Erixon, they would have been in the same cap situation as they are currently; so this move shouldn't effect any re-signings the team makes going forward.


Summer of 2013 Financials—$20,058,333 in cap space, 15 players signed

Ryan McDonagh,Carl Hagelin and Derek Stepan have expiring entry-level contracts at the end of this season. This is not a problem for the Rangers because only Michael Sauer would be arbitration eligible, and his status is currently up in the air; so you can't commit salary in this scenario.

They are restricted free agents, and they will be protected. The players in question are home-grown kids who are character individuals. They love New York, and it is hard to think that they would ever consider signing an offer sheet.

The group is full of best friends, so they will want to stick together. Glen Sather has a solid track record retaining RFA's, so this should be a walk in the park for Sather.

Jeff Halpern is a free agent as well, but he makes minimal money. To sign these three players—Sauer excluded because of injury—the Rangers have over $20 million in cap space.

These players will likely sign shorter deals so that they can hit the jackpot during their third contract because that will include the Rangers buying out some UFA years. Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan can expect to make between $3.0 and $4.0 million each based on their production to this point, and for Carl Hagelin, a little less.

Logically, the Rangers would spend around $10-$12 million to lock those three players up, and the remaining $8 to $10 million would roll over to the following season. If you add Sauer to the mix, it still gives the Rangers flexibility.

Nonetheless, the Rick Nash acquisition will not hinder the Rangers from retaining their free agents.

Projected Spending: $10-$12 million on three players; $12-$14 on four players.

Summer of 2014 Financials—Approximately $35 million in cap space based on projected 2013 signings


Fans who know very little about the Rangers continue to assume that they act like they did from 1997 to 2003 and that is false and totally inaccurate! Late in 2003, Glen Sather decided to blowup the Rangers roster even dealing long-time legend Brian Leetch to Toronto and said he was gonna start a new blueprint of building a young core group and keeping his draft picks and molding them.
Tom Renney began the process and John Tortorella has embraced it by playing and developing young Rangers. Sather has also made shrewd deals to acquire other teams first round picks like: Brian Boyle, Ryan McDonagh, and Tim Erixon and used Erixon yesterday in the package for Rick Nash!
Last year the Rangers were the 3rd youngest team in the NHL and they have many drafted prospects in the system that we may see in NY in the next few years!

[Ciccarelli]

Lopsided trade or not, the point is Nash didn't want to stay in Columbus anymore and it doesn't help you much if you keep your superstar around that isn't happy and won't play out his full potential.

What I wonder is if there was no better offer for Nash on table then this one, if this was the best offer Howson got over the last couple of months then the trade is ok. I think Anisimov, Dubinsky and Erixon can turn out to be very helpfull for Columbus and in the near future they can bring more to the Blue Jackets then a unhappy Nash that scores about 35 goals.

The Rangers on the other side have had teams with lots of superstars already in the past and failed (remember 2001-2002 when they had Lindros, Messier, Bure, Fleury, Nedved, Rucinsky as offensive players and still failed to do anything).

I hope Nash will finally play like he can...it was about time that he got traded, he can be a true superstar in this league and an amazing player to watch. I'm excited to watch some Rangers games this season.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Hey Frank remember 1976 when the Flyers had Clarke, MacLeish, Kindrachuk, and Bridgman as the centers?
Clarke had 119 points and Kindrachuk scored 75 as the 3rd line center and Bridgman scored 50 points as a rookie!
Wow were they loaded and yet lost the finals to Montreal!
What about Montreal being so loaded that Pierre LaRouche never played for Scotty Bowman?
Man the good teams were loaded in those days and make a Boyle seem like a big bum!

The haves really were able to rip off that have nots in those days. It's a good thing for the league that all that has changed.

If you like Boyle, more power to you. First time I saw him was when he was still in Manchester. I've just never really been all that impressed with him but the big guys sometimes do develop slower.

[tyler1]

Nice move Howson.

Today, the jackets are a much worse team than they were yesterday, I didnt think that could be possible.

Scott Howson , he reminds of the kid in college , who had no common sense what so ever, dumb as sh1t , but he was book smart. His parents were very wealthy, so we would always invite him to the weekly poker games.

[V12_Bi-Turbo]

Originally Posted by bigjack

They just traded two of their own that they developed in Duby and Artie and also had Staal, Stepan, Hank, Sauer, DelZotto, Callahan, Hagelin, and Kreider and their farmsystem is loaded with very good prospects!
In the 7 years since the lockout, they have drafted and developed alot of players and in 574 games have a record of 304-203-67 for a winning% of .588. When you are winning almost 60% of your games and make the playoffs in 6 out of 7 seasons and miss the playoffs one year by a point in a shootout, you are not drafting in the top 10 picks!
Since 2005, the Rangers have drafted at 12, 21, 17(he died), 20, 19, 10, 15, and 28 so where are the high draft positions like what Edmonton has been doing?
Have a clue!

I was of course talking about Rick Nash category players. Not about people like Sauer or Hagelin. Rangers develop **** and its known.

I am very tired of their Naslund, Jagr, Bure, Drury, Fleury kind of trades

[acdcrocksno1]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Exactly!

I recently wrote in the Rangers thread why Sather is doing an excellent job of managing the Cap. We were all disappointed to lose Prust but I understood why? The Rangers are basically a young team and have to worry not only about today but also 2-3 years from now with the salary cap!

Here is a summation that shows that Sather actually saved $25,000 in the Nash deal and is being fiscally prudent!

Rick Nash Trade: Will the Rangers Be Able to Keep Roster Together Long

The biggest negative posed by writers, fans and critics about a potential Rick Nash trade to the Rangers was cost.

It was assumed that it would either cost the Rangers too much in players to add him, it would eat up salary space enabling the Rangers to resign players or it would become a combination of both.

However, the acquisition of Rick Nash should not have any effect on the Rangers' plans of keeping the roster together long term. It is a flawed notion that adding his massive cap hit would hinder the Rangers from retaining free agents who are due for new contracts at the end of this season.

In terms of fit for the Rangers, Nash brings a lot to the table. He is an older more developed version of current rookie sensation Chris Kreider. Nash is a solid skater, possesses a great shot, has size and plays in the dirty areas of the ice.

The biggest plus for adding Rick Nash was the fact that this move actually saved the Rangers $25,000.



2012-13 Financials—$13,391,666 in cap space, 20 players signed

At first glance, a $7.8 million cap hit seems daunting—one that should put the Rangers in the red. However, most fans forget that in most trades, a team sheds a significant amount of salary before adding one.

The Rangers dealt Brandon Dubinsky who made $4.2 million, Artem Anisimov $1.875 million and Tim Erixon, who had a cap hit of $1.75 million.

Erixon wasn't on the Rangers roster, but he likely would have been next year; so in exchange for Nash, the Rangers deal $7,825,000 in salary and gained Nash's $7,800,000. The Rangers theoretically saved cap space in the deal.

If the Rangers didn't make any additional moves this summer and promoted Erixon, they would have been in the same cap situation as they are currently; so this move shouldn't effect any re-signings the team makes going forward.


Summer of 2013 Financials—$20,058,333 in cap space, 15 players signed

Ryan McDonagh,Carl Hagelin and Derek Stepan have expiring entry-level contracts at the end of this season. This is not a problem for the Rangers because only Michael Sauer would be arbitration eligible, and his status is currently up in the air; so you can't commit salary in this scenario.

They are restricted free agents, and they will be protected. The players in question are home-grown kids who are character individuals. They love New York, and it is hard to think that they would ever consider signing an offer sheet.

The group is full of best friends, so they will want to stick together. Glen Sather has a solid track record retaining RFA's, so this should be a walk in the park for Sather.

Jeff Halpern is a free agent as well, but he makes minimal money. To sign these three players—Sauer excluded because of injury—the Rangers have over $20 million in cap space.

These players will likely sign shorter deals so that they can hit the jackpot during their third contract because that will include the Rangers buying out some UFA years. Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan can expect to make between $3.0 and $4.0 million each based on their production to this point, and for Carl Hagelin, a little less.

Logically, the Rangers would spend around $10-$12 million to lock those three players up, and the remaining $8 to $10 million would roll over to the following season. If you add Sauer to the mix, it still gives the Rangers flexibility.

Nonetheless, the Rick Nash acquisition will not hinder the Rangers from retaining their free agents.

Projected Spending: $10-$12 million on three players; $12-$14 on four players.

Summer of 2014 Financials—Approximately $35 million in cap space based on projected 2013 signings


Fans who know very little about the Rangers continue to assume that they act like they did from 1997 to 2003 and that is false and totally inaccurate! Late in 2003, Glen Sather decided to blowup the Rangers roster even dealing long-time legend Brian Leetch to Toronto and said he was gonna start a new blueprint of building a young core group and keeping his draft picks and molding them.
Tom Renney began the process and John Tortorella has embraced it by playing and developing young Rangers. Sather has also made shrewd deals to acquire other teams first round picks like: Brian Boyle, Ryan McDonagh, and Tim Erixon and used Erixon yesterday in the package for Rick Nash!
Last year the Rangers were the 3rd youngest team in the NHL and they have many drafted prospects in the system that we may see in NY in the next few years!

What that doesn't take into consideration however is that they lost 3 players and gained one that's 2 more roster spots to fill they will both make more than 25,000

[papas1175]

Originally Posted by acdcrocksno1

What that doesn't take into consideration however is that they lost 3 players and gained one that's 2 more roster spots to fill they will both make more than 25,000

Rangers had a surplus of forwards and would of been paying duby 4.2 million on the 3rd line. Doan is a strong possibility. If he doesnt come here i see a rookie making the team out of camp with a chance of haley making the club till gabby is back