Predators Extend Pekka Rinne for Seven Years

[ThrowdownSJ408]

He can steal games. Its worth it, hes great.

[RetardedChimp]

Originally Posted by ThrowdownSJ408

He can steal games. Its worth it, hes great.

I agree, most actual hockey fans would agree as well.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

I have no clue what his save percentage is now or was then.

It's called eyes. Now could he regress or not get better? Sure, we've seen that a million times. I'm not buying it with him though.

[fcm]

Two years ago, Montreal had Halak in fornt of the net, they were getting 50 shots against each night and because of his great goaltending, they managed to make it to the conference finals.

Sorry, but you must start by building your team around the defense and the goalie is the main part of the defense. Teams that have an average goalie must have an explosive offense to go far into the playoffs, which is not the case for most teams.

The most important statistic for a goalie is the save percentage, because it is the only statistic that's not going to change if you have a good or a bad team. The GAA is related to what's happening between the skaters, and so are the wins and the losses.

So Pekka Rinne having a .930% season last year is great, but it lasted for only one season... this season we know the real Pekka Rinne, an average good .916% SV%. Seven years / seven millions per year is way too much.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

So Pekka Rinne having a .930% season last year is great, but it lasted for only one season... this season we know the real Pekka Rinne, an average good .916% SV%. Seven years / seven millions per year is way too much.

So a whole year means nothing, but 2 months makes you sure of how the rest of his career will go?

Wow. Sound logic.

[Redtown]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

I have no clue what his save percentage is now or was then.

It's called eyes. Now could he regress or not get better? Sure, we've seen that a million times. I'm not buying it with him though.

Despite your attempts I remain unconvinced. I find it insane to pay a goalie elite money and lock him up for a long period of time when he hasnt played to elite status or won a Cup. Considering you're an Islanders fan I'd think you and your eyes would agree but whatever.

[fcm]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

So a whole year means nothing, but 2 months makes you sure of how the rest of his career will go?

Wow. Sound logic.

Pekka Rinne having one good season does not mean that he will always be that great, so 7 millions during 7 seasons is too much for too long for a goalie that has only one good season at almost 30 years old.

[chilly666]

how is he fully to blame for them not winning a cup when most of the star players they have had, have left due to the teams inability to be able to afford to keep them? rinne's fault, hell no.

would you rather lock up rinne or keep getting new goalies each year and have even less stability like the crapitals each season.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Originally Posted by Redtown

Despite your attempts I remain unconvinced. I find it insane to pay a goalie elite money and lock him up for a long period of time when he hasnt played to elite status or won a Cup. Considering you're an Islanders fan I'd think you and your eyes would agree but whatever.

DP never won a playoff series and 7 years is a lot different than 15 years.

[peacemaker]

Not going off stat's, but from what I have seen of Rinne (I have only seen his games against the 'Nucks over the last 4 years, including the playoffs last season) he is a truly elite NHL goalie. Very consistent, shows you very little net, doesn't give up bad goals.

I am generally not for big contracts over a long period of time. When you have a team that focuses on defence first, like the Pred's, a goalie tends to look a little better than he otherwise might. So, I'm not commenting on the contract per say, but I believe Rinne is one of the top goalies in the NHL. Having said that, while his signing makes sense for the Pred's, I would never pay him that much to play in another city where the team plays a different style, or where there is a tonne of pressure to perform (ie the Bryzgalov or Luongo signings).

But the Pred's success is predicated on keeping the puck out of there own net and waiting for an opportunity at the other end of the ice (bend don't break philosophy). Without a top end goalie, they are a bad team plain and simple. With Rinne, they are not only competitive, but capable of upsetting better teams come the playoffs. Without him, they are not a playoff team.

[peacemaker]

By the way, I think a telling stat for goalies is always looking at there save percentage and comparing it to the team backups's save percentage. Sometimes it can be a little skewed because backups tend to play against weaker opposition, but I think it still tells a much more accurate story than simply comparing save percentages of 2 different goalies on different teams.

For instance Bryz's SP is 0.23 worse than Bobrovskys this season.

Loungo's is 0.17 worse that Schenider's (Louie had a brutal start to his season before getting it turned around recently), while Schneider cemented the fact he is ready to be a front line starter somewhere in the NHL.

Rinne in his rookie season was 0.17 better than Dan Ellis.
2nd season: only 0.02 better than the backup
3rd season: 0.15 better than his backup
4th season: 0.25 better than his backup.

[Redtown]

Originally Posted by peacemaker

By the way, I think a telling stat for goalies is always looking at there save percentage and comparing it to the team backups's save percentage. Sometimes it can be a little skewed because backups tend to play against weaker opposition, but I think it still tells a much more accurate story than simply comparing save percentages of 2 different goalies on different teams.

For instance Bryz's SP is 0.23 worse than Bobrovskys this season.

Loungo's is 0.17 worse that Schenider's (Louie had a brutal start to his season before getting it turned around recently), while Schneider cemented the fact he is ready to be a front line starter somewhere in the NHL.

Rinne in his rookie season was 0.17 better than Dan Ellis.
2nd season: only 0.02 better than the backup
3rd season: 0.15 better than his backup
4th season: 0.25 better than his backup.

Those are some really good stats and good point. You dont need to spend $7 million on a goalie when they generally do only marginally better than their backup.

Next year Rinne would stand to make 25% of this years payroll.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Originally Posted by Redtown

Nashville must be expecting Rinne to pick up his game from the current slightly above average goalie to an elite $7 million per year goalie next year when this contract kicks in.

Way too much money for a goalie.

Hahahahaha

[Dave_42]

Nashville did good to sign Rinne. 7 years for $49 million though is a bit much IMO. I'm like a couple other people who think that 5 years should've been the max and 6-7 million per season.. but good for Rinne and good for Nashville.

[Redtown]

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

You must not have watched him in the playoffs last season.

Originally Posted by BobNystromOwnsU

I'm sorry I actually watched the games, and the way a goalie plays can't all measured with a GAA, not to mention that's a pretty damn GAA when playing the teams he played.

But I watched most of his games and he made big save after big save. A little more offense they may have went further.

Originally Posted by Redtown

Nashville must be expecting Rinne to pick up his game from the current slightly above average goalie to an elite $7 million per year goalie next year when this contract kicks in.

Way too much money for a goalie.

Well this debate has been settled. Sorry Bob but I was right,and you were wrong, way too much money and years for this guy. When I wrote "current slightly above average" that is what he was playing like at that time. He brought his game up afterwards to a top 10 goalie in terms of SV%.

Now on to the playoffs....you know Bob, when it matters. When goalies earn their money. The verdict is in, Bob. Did you watch the games this year with your eyes like you did last year? He outplayed Howard but Howard sucked so that wasnt too hard. Did he outplay or get outplayed by Smith? Was he the difference maker like you hold him out to be?

Of all playoff goalies who played in more than 1 game he was 8th out of 19 in SV%. What does that mean, you guessed it, slightly above average.