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Old 04-03-2013, 04:28 PM
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OK, so why didn't the Pens simply claim him off waivers? I guess he helps with faceoffs and brings a little more skill at center while Crosby is out, but I hope they aren't planning on playing his soft ass on the 4th line in the playoffs. Vitale should be in that role. It's bullsh*t anyway that Vitale sits out while Craig Adams' worthless ass plays every damn game.
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:36 PM
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OK, so why didn't the Pens simply claim him off waivers? I guess he helps with faceoffs and brings a little more skill at center while Crosby is out, but I hope they aren't planning on playing his soft ass on the 4th line in the playoffs. Vitale should be in that role. It's bullsh*t anyway that Vitale sits out while Craig Adams' worthless ass plays every damn game.
Carolina ate salary. That's why.
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:42 PM
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Completely unnecessary trade, and it pisses me off.
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:47 PM
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Completely unnecessary trade, and it pisses me off.
Pens lack of trust in Vitale and TK being ineffective as a center made this trade. I prefered Boyd Gordon.
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:54 PM
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I think Shero saw a bunch of other teams making moves and his trigger finger got itchy. They are trying to build cohesiveness with the new guys they have already brought in and then he brings ANOTHER new guy into the equation?

I don't want this Euro skunk on the team that I root for, plain and simple.
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:23 PM
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OK, so why didn't the Pens simply claim him off waivers? I guess he helps with faceoffs and brings a little more skill at center while Crosby is out, but I hope they aren't planning on playing his soft ass on the 4th line in the playoffs. Vitale should be in that role. It's bullsh*t anyway that Vitale sits out while Craig Adams' worthless ass plays every damn game.
I know you probably haven't watched many games this season, but Adams has played pretty good. Glass/Jeffrey are the useless ones.
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:48 PM
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Jussi Jokinen is to shootouts what Brian McGrattan is to fights. He's lazy though so don't know about this...won't really help in the playoffs.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:01 PM
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Jussi Jokinen is to shootouts what Brian McGrattan is to fights. He's lazy though so don't know about this...won't really help in the playoffs.
This is absolutely the initial thought when it comes to Jussi Jokinen but it's kind of funny because the player he is and has shown is fairly different from the perception about him. In reality, he's a very enigmatic player and one of my favorites, from a statistical standpoint anyway, because his career is so interesting. If you're a stats geek, that is.

Shootouts are where he made his name in the NHL his rookie year in Dallas (2005-2006). He had an eye-popping move ("the Paralyzer" one-handed dangler initially made famous by Peter Forsberg) that made the rounds on all the highlights shows so he had instant credibility, marketability, and name-recognition. He started out a perfect 9 out of 9 and he became the novelty of a novelty (the shootout itself being a novelty in its first season). But an interesting thing happens if you break down his stats season by season:

2005/2006 Dallas: 10-13 (76.9%)
2006/2007 Dallas: 5-12 (41.7%)
2007/2008 Dallas: 2-4 (50%)
Tampa Bay: 0-0
Total: 2-4 (50%)
2008/2009 Tampa Bay: 3-9 (33.3%)
Carolina: 2-3 (66.7%)
Total: 5-12 (41.7%)
2009/2010 Carolina: 4-8 (50%)
2010/2011 Carolina: 2-10 (20%)
2011/2012 Carolina: 2-6 (33%)
2012/2013 Carolina: 0-0

That gives you a career total of 30 out of 66 or 45.5%. He is tied for second all time in shootout goals, but in terms of conversion percentage for players with at least 10 attempts (an arbitrary number, but a good baseline) he is 18th all-time. If you take out his rookie year numbers and he's 37.7% or if you take just his 9 out of 9 start he's 36.8%. Not quite the ace he's made out to be.

The second assertion that he won't help in the playoffs can be debated. In 9 playoff games over 2 seasons in Dallas (2005/2006 and 2006/2007) he tallied 2 goals and 2 assists for 4 points. However during his lone playoff season in Carolina (2008/2009) he was a tremendous part of their run to the Eastern Conference Finals tallying 7 goals (2nd on the team) and 4 assists for 11 points (tied for 2nd on the team) in 18 games. 3 of those goals were game winners which was tops in the league in playoffs that year. Maybe a flash in the pan, but he brought it.

He has shown the ability to score. In 2009-2010 he had 30 goals and 35 assists for 65 points in 81 games in Carolina and he went over 50 points two other times in his career (2005-2006 in Dallas and 2010-2011 in Carolina). He also has tremendous versatility. He's played all 3 forward positions throughout his career and Carolina used him in all situations. Personally, I remember beyond pissed off when the Canes acquired him from Tampa Bay at the 2009 trade deadline because we gave up Wade Brookbank in the package. He also finished the regular season with 1 goal and 10 assists for 11 points in 25 games. But then he had that unbelievable playoffs and hit 30 goals the next season.

So during his career he's been both a shootout ace and a shootout liability, a reliable 2-way player and a floater, a 30-goal scorer and a plug, and a playoff hero and a shrinking violet. But he has had good starts after his change of scenery - the above numbers after going to Carolina as well as finishing the 2007/2008 season by tallying 2 goals and 12 assists for 14 points in 20 games after going to Tampa Bay.

All this is to say who knows what you're going to get with this guy.
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