Flyers' Tye McGinn Out at Least Two Weeks with Broken Orbital Bone

[Stevens Lindros]

As little as 2 weeks for a broken orbital bone? I thought they took longer to heal. Either way he won't be fighting for a while, tough kid. Already wears a vizor but I suspect he'll transition to full face shield for his first few games back instead.

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by tim13

I frankly don't understand how TKO made it into hockey fight terminology. TKO is a boxing term which simply means the ref, doctor or corner man stopped the fight for whatever reason. Conditions apply when it is the doctor who stops it.

That's why it's either a KO or a KD for me. It's a good thing the ref got in there on this one but if you use the "any time the ref steps in" line of logic then any time a guy is in a vulnerable position and the ref steps in that would be a TKO.

I prefer to keep it simple. McGinn took a monster punch which ended the fight. Everyone agrees on that. Why argue over semantics?

I don't let the linesmen determine whether it was a TKO or not so them jumping in has nothing to do with it. If the player takes a punch and can't continue because of the punch then I am inclined to give out a TKO. There is a lot of room between a KO and a KD, and there are many KD's where the fighter gets right up ready to go again. Might as well give the fighter something for ending the fight with a punch.

[HardHitt3n]

Originally Posted by I_am_Belak_2

No... that is a KO

Got ya, maybe i need to learn what the hell it is lol.

[2yt4u]

This pisses me off. This kid comes in here and actually throws
his weight around,bangs people off the puck,goes into corners,
occasionally will drop the gloves etc... and now he's out with a
B.O. bone in his face for up to 4 freakin weeks?! Not a good injury
to have if you planned on using your fists as part of your game.
Hopefully this doesn't make him gun shy and he sticks to his game
that got him up here to begin with. Unreal with our injuries this year.

[tim13]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

I don't let the linesmen determine whether it was a TKO or not so them jumping in has nothing to do with it. If the player takes a punch and can't continue because of the punch then I am inclined to give out a TKO. There is a lot of room between a KO and a KD, and there are many KD's where the fighter gets right up ready to go again. Might as well give the fighter something for ending the fight with a punch.

Fair enough I guess, but for me simply saying "Brown landed a monster shot that ended the fight" more than suffices. When the term TKO comes into play, everyone has their own definition and it turns to arguing over semantics when there's no need to.

It's a bastardization of a term that has a definite meaning. Everyone knows what a boxing TKO is. It's easily define-able. I have no real beef with people using the term, this is just a thought that always crosses my mind when people are arguing over whether something was or wasn't a TKO.

[pesadillamal]

Originally Posted by tim13

Fair enough I guess, but for me simply saying "Brown landed a monster shot that ended the fight" more than suffices. When the term TKO comes into play, everyone has their own definition and it turns to arguing over semantics when there's no need to.

It's a bastardization of a term that has a definite meaning. Everyone knows what a boxing TKO is. It's easily define-able. I have no real beef with people using the term, this is just a thought that always crosses my mind when people are arguing over whether something was or wasn't a TKO.

Good point. I blame DYG for taking it to a whole new level. Every KD is scored a TKO there and it has spread. I think I even got caught up in it as I gave Lucic a TKO over Carkner when Carkner was none the worst for wear. There really should be an injury or some wooziness to apply the term, but I try and just roll with however people want to use it.

Disclaimer: Please, don't anyone try and talk about the Lucic - Carkner fight. I was just citing an example for sake of the conversation and have no problem if you think it was a TKO.

[tim13]

Originally Posted by pesadillamal

disclaimer: Please, don't anyone try and talk about the lucic - carkner fight. I was just citing an example for sake of the conversation and have no problem if you think it was a tko.

:d:d:d

[bupz91]

way to go Rinaldo.

[pesadillamal]

I didn't see the Rinaldo play but I read on here that there was a delayed penalty? That is a no go situation and has been for decades. You never know if the other guy will just skate away or at least hesitate to try and even it up with an instigator or something. Lavi is the one that put McGinn across from someone that was clearly looking to fight.

[Rugged]

Originally Posted by bupz91

way to go Rinaldo.

That's getting old, by the way. The McGinn kid has a mind of his own. He chose to fight, did very well for a young guy, and got caught with one good punch. It happens.

He doesn't have a messed up eye because of Rinaldo.

[BullyFan]

Didn't McGinn come back and finish the game after the fight?

Jesus, his head must have been ringing.....tough kid. This sucks, McGinn was one of the bright spots so far this season.

[bupz91]

Originally Posted by Rugged

That's getting old, by the way. The McGinn kid has a mind of his own. He chose to fight, did very well for a young guy, and got caught with one good punch. It happens.

He doesn't have a messed up eye because of Rinaldo.

Yeah, I agree with the fact he chose to fight, but Rinaldo is the guy on the team that should be going with Brown. McGinn *Was* getting first line time, and Rinaldo is who we carry for that kind of situation.

I know Carcillo vs Gaborik from a while ago was a lot different as McGinn has established himself as somewhat of a fighter, but it's hard for me to think that someone shouldn't have gotten in there in either case.

McGinn did do a great job in the fight and I never said he didn't, Brown caught him with a good shot. I'm just saying in my mind, Rinaldo should be the guy taking Brown off the ice, not Simmonds, Hartnell, McGinn, Schenn, etc.

[skacore]

Brown had the eye of the tiger last year. He wanted a fight and he wanted one BAD... now I really would've liked to see him go with Simmonds and see how he would have fared (normally I'd take Simmonds 9 times outta 10 in that match up)

[mikebflorida]

A TKO is awarded when one fighter is under extreme duress either from one punch or many and the officials feel he can't or shouldn't continue so they stop the fight. You don't have to be knocked down or even woozy, you can simply not be defending yourself well, not punching back, and getting hit hard.

Brashear vs Macintyre stands out as a standing TKO where Steve lands a vicious rib or kidney shot that buckled Brash and the linesmen jumped in and stopped it to protect him from further damage. Orr vs Scott cold also be a TKO.

Belak vs Brashear is a TKO and was damn near a KO, Brash needed help off the ice and had this lazed, goofy look.

There is no such thing as a knockdown win, it's simply a win that included one hockey guy knocking down the other hockey guy. Dribble, dribble.

It's really easy to figure out but so many guys complicate it with draw/edge/kd or draw possible edge, stuff like that.

Incidentally, KO is knocked out. Even for a few seconds.

Hope that helps.

[brawls16]

Originally Posted by skacore

Brown had the eye of the tiger last year. He wanted a fight and he wanted one BAD... now I really would've liked to see him go with Simmonds and see how he would have fared (normally I'd take Simmonds 9 times outta 10 in that match up)

Really? Brown's fightcard is much tougher than Simmon's is. I'd take Brown at least 5 times with a few draws and couple defeats. To each his own though.

Hope McGinn gets better quickly. It's never good when any fighter goes down. Espeically with Sestito back in the AHL and Shelley on the IR.

...Same with Brown too! Orr and Brown on the shelf, not good....