Flames Name Mike Keenan Head Coach - Page 2

NJDevils17 · #16 (**permalink**) 06-14-2007, 10:34 PM

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To me since reaching the finals in 04, they have pretty much underachieved badly since...Keenan is certainly a maniac...but this might be what this group needs...What are Iron Mike's CURRENT views on fighting? Will he have an enforcer playing? I remember him most for his Flyers and Rangers days...when he had some pretty tough teams.

his comments after the orr-fridge fight seemed to me that he changed his views on fighting. but he had tons of tough teams like the canucks in 98 with brashear, odjick, ciccone, etc.

canuck2 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-15-2007, 02:13 PM

I like it. It brings some notoriety to the team. He reminds me of a mass murderer. Its not always good publicity but it is publicity. A team like Calgary needs that nestled away in the far far foothills of Canada.

He still is a quality coach. He wont have a dead team like Playfair did.We shall see how Iginla gets along with him. The key relationship with any mike Keenan team is his relationship with the captain. He needs that guy behind him because he will piss off a whole bunch of guys.

peacemaker · #18 (**permalink**) 06-16-2007, 09:59 AM

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I like it. It brings some notoriety to the team. He reminds me of a mass murderer. Its not always good publicity but it is publicity. A team like Calgary needs that nestled away in the far far foothills of Canada.

He still is a quality coach. He wont have a dead team like Playfair did.We shall see how Iginla gets along with him. The key relationship with any mike Keenan team is his relationship with the captain. He needs that guy behind him because he will piss off a whole bunch of guys.

Yes his relationship with Iginla will be very interesting. Iggy would seem to be exactly Keenan's type of leader...
But we would have thought that of Trevor Linden years ago, and we know how that worked out.

**canuckfan** · #19 (**permalink**) 06-16-2007, 08:23 PM

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Yes his relationship with Iginla will be very interesting. Iggy would seem to be exactly Keenan's type of leader...
But we would have thought that of Trevor Linden years ago, and we know how that worked out.

Indeed. In Mark Messier's biography that was released a couple years ago, a whole chapter is devoted to Messier's stay in Vancouver, and Keenan's nasty relationship and antics with guys like Linden, Gelinas, and Babych are all described. Keenan tore into Linden in the dressing room between periods during one game while Messier sat nearby without expression and zero reaction - always had mixed feelings about Keenan - he traded and nearly ruined my fave player ever in Linden, but he also made the trade for Bertuzzi - then gave the Canucks Luongo for him. Brilliant stuff really - and as already mentioned by peacemaker, he held on to Markus Naslund who blossomed under Keenan's tenure as coach. Still, those Canucks, while tough, were a last place team under Mike Keenan.

This is a big gamble for Sutter to make - the whole city of Calgary is collectively holding their breath but also fearing the worst. Fans here are both shocked, and a little scared - its kind of funny, actually.

Whatever the case, if this hiring works, Sutter will be elevated to demi-god like status here in Calgary. If it doesn't, he and his entire regime will get the axe and his days here will be numbered - its no secret around town that the Flames ownership group and president Ken King are less than comfortable with Sutter's desicion - from what I understand, they wanted to give Playfair another season, but this was entirely Sutter's call and judgment.

But there's a saying here in Calgary all Flames fans live by: "In Darryl we trust." This will either be a brilliant move by Sutter that results in another Cup run, or yet another bumbling gaff for a franchise that has a long, long history of making brutal and terrible management desicons. Only time will tell, but depending on how the laidback Flames stars respond to Keenan, this hiring could go either way.

**HordiBrusk29** · #20 (**permalink**) 06-16-2007, 11:42 PM

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Iggy would seem to be exactly Keenan's type of leader...
But we would have thought that of Trevor Linden years ago, and we know how that worked out.

I don't think Linden is (or ever was) anything like Iginla. I think Iginla is much more of a "Keenan" type of player.

**canuckfan** · #21 (**permalink**) 06-17-2007, 03:40 PM

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I don't think Linden is (or ever was) anything like Iginla. I think Iginla is much more of a "Keenan" type of player.

I would take a prime Linden over Iginla any day, but thats just me

. Just because Linden didn't and couldn't fight as much or as well as Iginla doesn't him make any less of a player in my eyes.

**HordiBrusk29** · #22 (**permalink**) 06-17-2007, 04:28 PM

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I would take a prime Linden over Iginla any day, but thats just me

. Just because Linden didn't and couldn't fight as much or as well as Iginla doesn't him make any less of a player in my eyes.

I sure wouldn't. And fighting has nothing to do with the comment I made previously. I still feel Iginla is much more of a "Keenan type" player than Linden. Linden isn't/wasn't nearly as physical and hard nosed as Iginla at any point in his career.

**canuckfan** · #23 (**permalink**) 06-17-2007, 06:21 PM

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I sure wouldn't. And fighting has nothing to do with the comment I made previously. I still feel Iginla is much more of a "Keenan type" player than Linden. Linden isn't/wasn't nearly as physical and hard nosed as Iginla at any point in his career.

I hear ya, and I think the vast majority of people on this site would agree with you, although I do think Linden takes the body better than Iginla does - I can't recall Iginla throwing any big checks the way Linden has in the past and occassionally in the present, although I do agree, Jarome is more of that "hard-nosed" type.

Most of my post was kind of in fun, because as a Canuck fan, I could never chose a Flames player like Iginla over Linden (thats like a Flames fan picking Messir over McDonald, or Coffey over MacInnis). Besides, Linden's been my favorite sine 1988 - so I might be a little biased too.

Still, a point I've argued before about Iginla with other Flames fans here is that Iginla has a tendency to disappear during his teams biggest games. Games 6 and 7 against Tampa in 2004 - no where to be found. Game 6 and 7 against the Ducks in 2006 - quiet as a mouse. Games 5 and 6 against Detroit this year - didn't realize he was playing, aside from his antics at the end of game 5. I can talk about Linden's huge performance in game 7 in 1994 against the Rangers, but that was a long time ago now - but he's had big playoff games recently, including game 7 against the Blues in 2003, the Stars this season, and he continued to play well against the Ducks. I would argue that Linden is better during the big games throughout his career than Iginla has. Call me a little biased, but I may have something there....

**Thrillhouse** · #24 (**permalink**) 06-17-2007, 06:56 PM

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Still, a point I've argued before about Iginla with other Flames fans here is that Iginla has a tendency to disappear during his teams biggest games.

How bout Game 7 against the 'Nucks?

Sputnik · #25 (**permalink**) 06-18-2007, 06:32 AM

I predict Calgary will be a very tough team and they will suck badly.

Keenan is just TERRIBLE, he will completely ruin the team and he'll trade away young players to get some old farts as usual.

BrianTheAdsFan · #26 (**permalink**) 06-18-2007, 09:52 AM

I think Keenan will go a little too far with his high handedness when the team hits a losing streak and they shut it down and miss the playoffs altogether.