Deryk Engelland Suspended Three Games for Head Check

[Oil Can Henry]

...When a player "leaves" his feet to deliver a hit -- you'll know it,...I'll know it,...your next-door neighbor will know it,....EVERYBODY will know it.

You won't need to replay the tape over-and-over,...scrutinizing it,...analizing it,...examining it frame-by-frame to determine if the guy's skates are off the ice.
A player's skates being off the ice because of the hit,...following the hit,...or as a result of the hit - DO NOT mean he did in-fact leave his feet to deliver the blow,....

[woeisme]

Despite my bias against the Pens and towards the Hawks, this suspension is total crap. John Scott took care of business the way it should have been done. Shanahanshiitfucckface is on a huge power trip.

[FightingIsGood]

Originally Posted by BROKEN*ORBITAL

Too bad. He lived a high risk, high reward lifestyle.

The key word I see in your post is "retired." The guy was retired in his mid 30's with millions of dollars in his bank account. A large portion of the population will be working well into their 50's and 60's with nowhere near the safety net (money) that Primeau has. I think you'd find more than a few people willing to trade places with him and his symptoms.

He put it all out there for his career, and it took it's toll on him. Even so, he'll still have a better and easier life than the vast majority of the population. Primeau's whining and sympathy seeking has been a bit much.

Not too many people get get concussions working at Burger King. Primeau and others have that option. They don't want to do that though. They would rather continue to rake in the money, while ruining hockey by completely re-working the fabric of the game in an attempt to bubble wrap the players. Along with guy's like Shanahan and Kris King, Keith Primeau is a f*cking disgrace.

I agree with you in principle. While I do not like hearing about any player suffering from PCS and having their quality of life altered, they still signed their names to those NHL contracts. At that point, you agree to all of the risks that come with playing the game, including concussions. Just like if I sign a contract to work on a bridge, I accept the risk that I could be seriously injured or killed from a fall or a collapse.

[edwardraffoni]

Originally Posted by Dark Light

Back in the day this was a perfectly clean hit. Unfortunately not in today's NHL.

Back in the day this would never be a clean hit.. When you leave your feet and hit a guy in the head with your forearm, it's not a clean hit and never was. Back in the day ahit like that would have called for immediate retaliation, Retaliation that Scott so efficiently provided. If Engelland did that back in the day, the other team would have seen as a dirty hit and responded the same way Scott did. Trust me, I know, I was around '' BACK IN THE DAY.''

[Maggie3and Me]

Originally Posted by edwardraffoni

Back in the day this would never be a clean hit.. When you leave your feet and hit a guy in the head with your forearm, it's not a clean hit and never was. Back in the day ahit like that would have called for immediate retaliation, Retaliation that Scott so efficiently provided. If Engelland did that back in the day, the other team would have seen as a dirty hit and responded the same way Scott did. Trust me, I know, I was around '' BACK IN THE DAY.''

I agree, as I also was around Back in the Day.

There were two problems with Engelland's hit.

First, Kruger was engaged with another Pens player when Engelland initiated the check.

Second, he left his feet to deliver it and went high, above the shoulders.

[edwardraffoni]

Originally Posted by fcm

The problem is that Engelland didn't left his feet before the hit and I don't think that it was a hit to the head.

fcm, You sound like Engelland's attorney trying to get his money back. If you don't think Engelland left his feet and delivered a head shot, you better make an appointment with a good eye doctor.

[Phillyfan11]

Originally Posted by FightingIsGood

I agree with you in principle. While I do not like hearing about any player suffering from PCS and having their quality of life altered, they still signed their names to those NHL contracts. At that point, you agree to all of the risks that come with playing the game, including concussions. Just like if I sign a contract to work on a bridge, I accept the risk that I could be seriously injured or killed from a fall or a collapse.

completely agree with you and BO. I loved Preems and we can all agree he played the game right, but this constant complaining with him is getting old. Ironically, Lindros is the complete opposite. While I know he was on some committe, in interviews for pre-WC stuff, when talking about the concussions, he hasn't talked about softening things up or coddling players etc. He's made the argument that the game is too fast w/o the obstruction and that the lack of a 2 line pass also creates an issue with speed but that's about it. One interview he clearly said hockey is supposed to be a physical sport, there's just MINOR tweaks that need to be done, not changing the rules and getting rid of hitting and fighting.

[Walt]

Originally Posted by Flyers2001

He most def. left his feet prior to contact.

Yes. And it was a head shot too. It often amuses me the way some folks here view video evidence. Now, whether it was grounds for three games ... in the new NHL it probably is.

[Mr. America]

Originally Posted by Habs # 1

Only makes 3 grand a game... thought he would make more than that.

Originally Posted by Mike Tython

He makes $566,667 per year, which averages out to $6,900 per game. It might be pro-rated though.

They actual way they figure this, and how they figure up cap hits etc is this: Players are paid by the day, not by the game. So you take his salary of $566,667 and divide that by the number of days in the season which is 185. That gives us, $3063.06 per day. So he is technically being suspended for 3 days.

This is also how the salary floor and cap numbers are figured, but you have to do it for every player on the roster, including the guys who get called up and sent down. At the end of the season a team has to have paid out a minimum of $48.5 million, and a max of whatever the cap is. When you go to cap geek or other sites like that they are showing you a close approximation of what the team is on pace for with the current makeup of the roster.