Avalanche Re-Sign Ryan Wilson, Patrick Bordeleau and David van der Gulik

[fcm]

Wow, even hockeyfights.com members now embrace the direction of the new NHL. "He doesn't play on the PK he's bad so he's useless even if he enforces".

[chilly666]

keep stretching there kid...btw bollig averages .01 ppg better than bordeleau in the ahl, so again ill tell you numbers don't mean squat.

bollig played in the nhl playoffs over scoring prospects like jeremy morin, brandon pirri and others. depth has nothing to do with it.

and you can't really believe that the hawks appreciate toughness considering for 3 years before last year, the hawks didn't have jack squat except john scott who barely played.

[Stevens Lindros]

Originally Posted by fcm

Wow, even hockeyfights.com members now embrace the direction of the new NHL. "He doesn't play on the PK he's bad so he's useless even if he enforces".

Yeah, not sure why Chilly brought up the PK, my point stands, swap the teams and the player's situation changes entirely. That said, that might change this year.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by fcm

Wow, even hockeyfights.com members now embrace the direction of the new NHL. "He doesn't play on the PK he's bad so he's useless even if he enforces".

um no...learn to comprehend comments better. i said bollig has a better all-around game which is why he got the call to the hawks and bordeleau won't with the avalanche.

with the hawks and the style that they play, if you all you do is fight, you won't be around long. bollig can do more than fight, which is why he is around and bordeleau would not be if he were a blackhawk.

[Stevens Lindros]

Originally Posted by chilly666

keep stretching there kid...btw bollig averages .01 ppg better than bordeleau in the ahl, so again ill tell you numbers don't mean squat.

bollig played in the nhl playoffs over scoring prospects like jeremy morin, brandon pirri and others. depth has nothing to do with it.

and you can't really believe that the hawks appreciate toughness considering for 3 years before last year, the hawks didn't have jack squat except john scott who barely played.

Thanks for proving my point about the organization thing.

Depth has everything to do with it. Not to mention, if Bissonnette doesn't play Bollig doesn't get 4 games...

Heavyweights don't play too much, but the Hawks had him, not to mention Mayers and Carcillo, so yes, they value toughness more.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

Yeah, not sure why Chilly brought up the PK, my point stands, swap the teams and the player's situation changes entirely. That said, that might change this year.

you're just as dense as your french friend...

[Stevens Lindros]

Originally Posted by chilly666

um no...learn to comprehend comments better. i said bollig has a better all-around game which is why he got the call to the hawks and bordeleau won't with the avalanche.

with the hawks and the style that they play, if you all you do is fight, you won't be around long. bollig can do more than fight, which is why he is around and bordeleau would not be if he were a blackhawk.

John Scott and Brandon Bollig really broke that myth...

Bollig can play 6 minutes, that's it. He's great to have but he's not some Wayne Gretzky of NHL enforcers... Kassian, Bordeleau, Westgarth, and everyone else from the past 3 years can also do that.

[Stevens Lindros]

Originally Posted by chilly666

you're just as dense as your french friend...

Rich considering what everyone thinks of you behind your back... I'm done with this argument, I'm reading nothing but BS about how Bollig is such a great 4th liner even if he didn't fight without anything to back it up. He was in the right place at the right time.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

Thanks for proving my point about the organization thing.

Depth has everything to do with it. Not to mention, if Bissonnette doesn't play Bollig doesn't get 4 games...

Heavyweights don't play too much, but the Hawks had him, not to mention Mayers and Carcillo, so yes, they value toughness more.

you don't even follow the hawks or the icehogs...it's not an organizational thing. bollig got recalled because he was doing things in rockford that the prospects that are rated higher than him in the system weren't doing. which is playing an all-around game in rockford. it has nothing to do with depth or toughness.

btw you're the one who started with the bordeleau is better than bollig because he had more points, all i did was prove you wrong with that stat and info.

[fcm]

Originally Posted by chilly666

um no...learn to comprehend comments better. i said bollig has a better all-around game which is why he got the call to the hawks and bordeleau won't with the avalanche.

Bollig better all around? I call BS. Bollig would still be buried in Lake Erié if he was in the Avalanches organisation and Bordeleau would have played for the Hawks even more than Bollig did.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by Stevens Lindros

John Scott and Brandon Bollig really broke that myth...

oh john scott broke that myth huh? so being scratched 2 out of every 3 games breaks a myth in your eyes while bollig who earned his callup with his play in the minors (not just fighting) also breaks that myth?

that again is dense as hell considering you don't even follow the icehogs except for fighting purposes.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by fcm

Bollig better all around? I call BS. Bollig would still be buried in Lake Erié if he was in the Avalanches organisation and Bordeleau would have played for the Hawks even more than Bollig did.

how do you know that? you've probably watched about as much of bollig actually playing as that kid has which isn't much.

for as many prospects in the avalanche system that have been called up and failed, if bordeleau was as good as you two are making him out to be, he would have gotten a callup before another dumbass callup of a failed ryan stoa or kevin porter.

[fcm]

Originally Posted by chilly666

how do you know that? you've probably watched about as much of bollig actually playing as that kid has which isn't much.

for as many prospects in the avalanche system that have been called up and failed, if bordeleau was as good as you two are making him out to be, he would have gotten a callup before another dumbass callup of a failed ryan stoa or kevin porter.

The actual Avalanches organisation doesn't believe in the enforcing thing, at the opposite of your Blackhawks. They carried David Koci for bringing some fans to the arena while they were 14th in the west but now that they are competitive enough to fight for a playoff spot, they don't want an enforcer anymore.

As an enforcer, Patrick Bordeleau is just as good of a hockey player than any of the Cam Janssens of this world. If Bordeleau was playing for an organisation that believes in enforcing, he would get a spot on the big team on the 4th line... that's it.

[chilly666]

i wouldn't be so positive on that one...again he couldn't even get a callup over guys that had failed numerous times prior.

guys like pierre-cedric labrie and mike angelidis kept getting called up by tampa bay and they enforcers as much as anybody...why? because they can play the game. so the organizational excuse is gone.

[fcm]

Originally Posted by chilly666

i wouldn't be so positive on that one...again he couldn't even get a callup over guys that had failed numerous times prior.

guys like pierre-cedric labrie and mike angelidis kept getting called up by tampa bay and they enforcers as much as anybody...why? because they can play the game. so the organizational excuse is not gone.

No, the organizational excuse takes all of its sense right there, because there you are talking about the Tampa Bay Lighting, who'se GM said many times its team didn't need of an enforcer. Labrie and Angelidis got called-up because they could follow the game a bit and fight.

Look at Shawn Thornton. Best example I can give you. He was buried in the AHL for 5 seasons in a row with the Maple Leafs organization who already had Tie Domi handling enforcing duties.

When he was moved to the Blackhawks organization, he's got his first NHL 13 games-long stint with Chicago, at 26 years old. Shawn Thornton was at the bad place at the bad moment when he was a Leaf. Thornton was buried in the AHL most of the time until he was 29 and traded to the Mighty Ducks where they used him on a semi-regular basis for that season. The season right after, at 30-31 years old, the Bruins gave him his first real full-time NHL job.

He doesn't play the PK, the PP or in any other special unit, just like Bordeleau, but he ended up following the game by being given a chance to do so.

How can you tell me seriously that Bordeleau will never follow the NHL game when he never was given the chance to adjust his game? Thornton was 26 years old the first time he's got a small chance. Bordeleau actually is 26 too. I'm pretty sure it was the same for both guys at the same age, everyone would tell 26 years old Shawn Thornton he couldn't play the NHL game. Which is beyond ridiculous.

Really, I'm a hundred percent SURE that all these AHL heavyweights like Bordeleau, Gazdic, Peluso, Henry (Germany now), Soryal, Leblond, Godard, etc, would ALL have a place in the NHL if all of the 30 NHL teams believed in the enforcing thing.

Bollig wouldn't play if is organization didn't believe in carrying a 4th line fighter.