You Don't See Them Brawl

[mr.black]

Whose up for the LNAH?

[Lead]

Originally Posted by Arankys

i see this thread reaching 200 pgs by weeks end. Has there ever been a fightless week in the NHL ever?

This thread is capable to reach 1000 pgs by then, if everyone would let frustration and real feelings out.

[bustoff]

I guess I just blew my money on center ice. It's really tough to get up for games you think should have something going. The Wings-Yotes game 15 yrs. ago would've been a doozy. I'm sick and tired of watching Buttman's 'NBA' type of NHL were scoring is everything. The only statedgy is for the power play or the penalty kill and screw everything else! There, I don't feel better. Fuk Buttman.

[davesakiller]

LNAH, LNAH, LNAH!!!!

this league needs to be televised before i fukking freakout with this bull**** nhl gary buttfukk has given us.

[spiderarms]

Originally Posted by RAMBO

Gonna try and shed some optimisim here..
The Goon was born...and he can be reborn.

It takes one team, to stand up against the Bettyman regime.

One team that does not care about the PIM Package, or has a coach that will sit a player for taking a #@~!#@% minor penalty in a game that is one giant powerplay anyway.
A minor penalty is like hitting a foul ball in baseball.

Hopefully one team is somehow rubbed the wrong way, and they say the hell with the league, the hell with losing, and they goon it up.

Wishful thinking, but I bet people would pay to watch that team, and this BS is a business whether we like it or not.

You have touched on one of only three ways possible to put an end to this charade called the NEW NHL Hockey. If just one team, any team, bucked the SYSTEM (DISNEY ON ICE), others might follow suit if they saw the results as positive in attendance with the fans and in PR reaction. How would this happen?
Well what if, just one team spent a series of games, loaded with a lineup of tough guys called up, getting penalty after penalty for obvious aggressive actions and in the process lost by ridiculious scores. Don't you think crys from fans and the MEDIA alike would claim that this team is being unfairly treated and made an EXAMPLE of ? Wouldn't this get them "SYMPATHY" and claims that they have no competitive way to win. This is what the NEW NHL does not want, A SURE LOSER!

Another way that I see is for THE GARY BETTMAN BOBBLEHEADS (NEW NHL SUPPORTERS), to STOP BUYING ANYTHING NHL!!! LIKE CENTER ICE PACKAGES!!! Be willing to sacrafice 1 to 2 years of NHL hockey so that the LOSS IN REVENUE will force the NEW NHL to change!!! Otherwise why would they change? They have your money and thats all they care about.

The third way is for ANOTHER LEAGUE to emerge to fill the "VACUUM" for lack of INTENSITY, BODYCHECKING, PASSION, RIVALRIES and FIGHTING!!! The idea of LNAH on SPIKE TV interests me and I would support that or the " PROMOTION" of any league that would pressure the NEW NHL to change.

Lastly, I think it PATHETIC to read the "YOU SEE THEM BRAWL" thread on this site and how the BETTMAN BOBBLEHEADS are BEGGING for fights, ANY FIGHTS and are so starved for ACTION, out of share BOREDOM, that they get excited over ROUGHING PENALTIES and any LOUSY FIGHT that is thrown at them. All the while, BETTMAN and his cronies are laughing as they take their MONEY to the bank. To these posters, I have SWAMP LAND IN LOUISIANNA THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SELL TO YOU, YOU WOULD ALL BE GREAT CANDIDATES TO DO BUSINESS WITH!!!

[Humpzilla]

Serious question:

How long will these "new" rules hold up?

Just by looking at the horrible T.V. ratings and the many empty seats in places like Detroit, you can tell the crappy product is starting to show results in our favor.

I assume we'll never go back to the obstruction days, but if things keep up the way they're going, maybe the rules will be amended or scaled back a bit.

I say it'll be about 3-5 seasons before things change for the positive. This'll probably be around the time Gary Bettman resigns or is replaced.

Thoughts?

[jkidd]

Really, its not new rules. They're actually calling the penalties now. Granted, they are over calling them, without question. I think the refs will eventually get back to calling the games they like. How long that is, could be sometime mid season, could be next year... I dont know.

The only new rule I really hate, is the goalie in the corners. The rule it self contradicts everything they want to do with opening up offense. But, thats too logical for the NHL to see.

I think its up to the refs, not Bettman. The refs ultimately have control over the game. Yes they are influenced by Bettman. Some refs, dont care about Bettman's influence. Some call the game they want to. I think going back to one ref might help, but thats no gurantee either. Refs like Mick Magoo, Kerry Fraser, Don Van Masenhoven, and other veteran refs need to step up and say that the game needs to be put back into their hands without the off ice influence they're under from Bettman and others. I think that is more key than anything else.

The attendance doesnt matter. They sell the tickets, and people just dont show up... that doesnt matter one bit to the NHL brass. TV ratings arent best because they're not on a marquee channel. Compare the number of households that get OLN/VS compared to ESPN... its not comparable. FSN is huge for carrying hockey games in most markets.

[davesakiller]

can't wait to see who is scratched tonight with so much potential.

[mr.black]

Originally Posted by davesakiller

LNAH, LNAH, LNAH!!!!

this league needs to be televised before i fukking freakout with this bull**** nhl gary buttfukk has given us.

That's what I'm saying.We need to get some B2 broadcasts or something.

[BGDDYKWL]

Here's something I will never understand. An enforcer will go out looking to stir things up and ask the opposition's enforcer to fight, but they won't oblige. Well, if I'm the guy looking so badly to fight I'm gonna take a run at the opposing team's star player, thus forcing the other enforcer to fight me. Simple as that, yet I NEVER see this happen. It's not rocket science. If I want to fight, and my request gets declined, I run guys that entire shift. Forget about if it's a blowout. In that case I will purposely rough up the best player on the ice my entire shift. Makes me wonder if guys want to fight as badly as they make it appear. Almost seems like they'll ask, knowing the opposing player will decline, and then they can act like they did their job. It's pathetic. You put me on the ice and I'll get the other team's enforcer to fight me in under a minute. !!!!

[Kingdog819]

Originally Posted by jkidd

Really, its not new rules. They're actually calling the penalties now. Granted, they are over calling them, without question. I think the refs will eventually get back to calling the games they like. How long that is, could be sometime mid season, could be next year... I dont know.

The only new rule I really hate, is the goalie in the corners. The rule it self contradicts everything they want to do with opening up offense. But, thats too logical for the NHL to see.

I think its up to the refs, not Bettman. The refs ultimately have control over the game. Yes they are influenced by Bettman. Some refs, dont care about Bettman's influence. Some call the game they want to. I think going back to one ref might help, but thats no gurantee either. Refs like Mick Magoo, Kerry Fraser, Don Van Masenhoven, and other veteran refs need to step up and say that the game needs to be put back into their hands without the off ice influence they're under from Bettman and others. I think that is more key than anything else.

The attendance doesnt matter. They sell the tickets, and people just dont show up... that doesnt matter one bit to the NHL brass. TV ratings arent best because they're not on a marquee channel. Compare the number of households that get OLN/VS compared to ESPN... its not comparable. FSN is huge for carrying hockey games in most markets.

Yeah thats very true but you have to admit(and you do) that they dont let the players play enough, i was watching the ducks game last night and Scott Nieder. skated and slipped a lil and grabbed the other player for a spilt second to get his balance, 2 minutes for holding, even though it had no affect on the outcome of the play. We all know as long as Bettman is GM, the ref's will continue to call phantom calls just cuz he pays their salaries...the game is in the ref's hands but the ref's dont run the league...im sure there are a ton of refs who enjoy to see fights, especially with players they dont like, but since they have to answer to bettman, they r gonna run the games his way, sorry thats just how it is....kidd makes an excellent point when he talks about verses network airing games....who remembers when hockey was on espn or fox? I know i do and i thought thier coverage was much better than verses. They would actually get excited when two players would fight each other. Fox sports net does a good job covering the games and there are a ton of fox sports networks around....a lot of it has to do with the players too, if a player doesnt score these days he will not make the team, with the game being so open now, you have to be quick and not commit penalties to even make the fourth line....old hockey is a thing of the past...it makes me sad but its true

[OilersHockey]

Originally Posted by bustoff

I guess I just blew my money on center ice. It's really tough to get up for games you think should have something going. The Wings-Yotes game 15 yrs. ago would've been a doozy. I'm sick and tired of watching Buttman's 'NBA' type of NHL were scoring is everything. The only statedgy is for the power play or the penalty kill and screw everything else! There, I don't feel better. Fuk Buttman.

I also finally caved and bought NHL centre ice this year - only to be treated to more PP's than I know what to do with.

I've watched parts of around 30 games this year so far and I've seen 3 fights live - seeing as the stats are running around .34 this year, that sounds about right (assuming I'm watching a period per game)...

Waste of money. I should have bought some whiskey to drown my sorrows instead - or better yet, $200 worth of Guelph storm/Kitchener Rangers tickets!!!! They still have some desire in the OHL!

[JPanas2]

Originally Posted by BGDDYKWL

Here's something I will never understand. An enforcer will go out looking to stir things up and ask the opposition's enforcer to fight, but they won't oblige. Well, if I'm the guy looking so badly to fight I'm gonna take a run at the opposing team's star player, thus forcing the other enforcer to fight me. Simple as that, yet I NEVER see this happen. It's not rocket science. If I want to fight, and my request gets declined, I run guys that entire shift. Forget about if it's a blowout. In that case I will purposely rough up the best player on the ice my entire shift. Makes me wonder if guys want to fight as badly as they make it appear. Almost seems like they'll ask, knowing the opposing player will decline, and then they can act like they did their job. It's pathetic. You put me on the ice and I'll get the other team's enforcer to fight me in under a minute. !!!!

very true and i often have wondered about that myself. in fact, no matter what the situation, i wouldn't even bother asking...i would just go directly at a skill player and rough him up a little bit. then you get the best of both worlds (take a shot at someone and fight).

[Kingdog819]

Originally Posted by JPanas2

very true and i often have wondered about that myself. in fact, no matter what the situation, i wouldn't even bother asking...i would just go directly at a skill player and rough him up a little bit. then you get the best of both worlds (take a shot at someone and fight).

yeah but in the new nhl you cant go after someone without getting a penalty

[Arankys]

cant understand why some of you bought center ice