You Don't See Them Brawl

[Humpzilla]

Here's an HF.com original article I wrote kind of on the subject of today's game compared to years past. :


Hockey Fighting: Then & Now

VF says he'll be putting it up on the blog later tonight. I hope you guys enjoy reading it.

[Chadricco]

Hearing (and growing tired) of all this Sean Avery talk has me thinking -- How about letting the players settle things on the ice? Yeah, like the good ol' days. Eliminate this pussification of the NHL by relaxing "instigator" rules. Yappers like Avery, Matt Cooke, and Jarkko Ruutu (to name a few) would shut their beer holes real fast knowing that Boogyman or BGL can lay down the law without Sister Bettman whacking their knuckles with a ruler.

While we're at it, wipe away that silly trapezoid from behind the net. Let the goalies skate, handle the puck, and get CHECKED just like any other skater with the puck. Maybe they'll think twice next time. When a goal tender is checked, fans' emotions are stirred; for better or for worse. Soon thereafter the enforcer gets a shift. Anticipation is in the air; all eyes on them, just waiting for unwritten punishment to be handed out. More excitement for all involved!

When I'm in charge, Hockey Night USA will rule the airwaves! Its the ultimate mix of sports and 100% unscripted reality TV. No more will Saturday television be tainted by 17 NCAA basketball games! Fans attending NHL games in Chicago and New York will no longer have an extra seat for their coat!


All hale commissioner Chadricco!

[StinkyJ]

Originally Posted by Chadricco

Hearing (and growing tired) of all this Sean Avery talk has me thinking -- How about letting the players settle things on the ice? Yeah, like the good ol' days. Eliminate this pussification of the NHL by relaxing "instigator" rules. Yappers like Avery, Matt Cooke, and Jarkko Ruutu (to name a few) would shut their beer holes real fast knowing that Boogyman or BGL can lay down the law without Sister Bettman whacking their knuckles with a ruler.

While we're at it, wipe away that silly trapezoid from behind the net. Let the goalies skate, handle the puck, and get CHECKED just like any other skater with the puck. Maybe they'll think twice next time. When a goal tender is checked, fans' emotions are stirred; for better or for worse. Soon thereafter the enforcer gets a shift. Anticipation is in the air; all eyes on them, just waiting for unwritten punishment to be handed out. More excitement for all involved!

When I'm in charge, Hockey Night USA will rule the airwaves! Its the ultimate mix of sports and 100% unscripted reality TV. No more will Saturday television be tainted by 17 NCAA basketball games! Fans attending NHL games in Chicago and New York will no longer have an extra seat for their coat!


All hale commissioner Chadricco!

That just brought a tear to my eye...

[TaskerVsSenn]

Originally Posted by Chadricco

Hearing (and growing tired) of all this Sean Avery talk has me thinking -- How about letting the players settle things on the ice? Yeah, like the good ol' days. Eliminate this pussification of the NHL by relaxing "instigator" rules. Yappers like Avery, Matt Cooke, and Jarkko Ruutu (to name a few) would shut their beer holes real fast knowing that Boogyman or BGL can lay down the law without Sister Bettman whacking their knuckles with a ruler.

While we're at it, wipe away that silly trapezoid from behind the net. Let the goalies skate, handle the puck, and get CHECKED just like any other skater with the puck. Maybe they'll think twice next time. When a goal tender is checked, fans' emotions are stirred; for better or for worse. Soon thereafter the enforcer gets a shift. Anticipation is in the air; all eyes on them, just waiting for unwritten punishment to be handed out. More excitement for all involved!

When I'm in charge, Hockey Night USA will rule the airwaves! Its the ultimate mix of sports and 100% unscripted reality TV. No more will Saturday television be tainted by 17 NCAA basketball games! Fans attending NHL games in Chicago and New York will no longer have an extra seat for their coat!


All hale commissioner Chadricco!

Thats a good first post bud!
Keep em' coming.

[baldhedjer]

I completely agree that hooking must actually resemble hooking, meaning the player being hooked must be impeded in some manner. Simply getting your stick paralell to the ice does not impede a player from moving the puck. Further, they should get rid of the trapezoid, let the goalies handle the puck, AT THE RISK OF GETTING HIT. Finally get rid of the instigator rule altogether and eliminate the fines on fighting in the last five minutes, often that's the only dignity that a team getting wiped out will get is to fight at the end of the game. It's sends the message that yeah, you got us this time, but we will be here waiting for you the next time. I have no objection to them trying to speed the game up and promote scoring, but when you tamper with the inherent violence in the game, you mess with it's essential soul and the thing that drew most of us to the game in the first place. If anything the league should be encouraging fighting not trying to get rid of it. In a league with fighting unimpeded, players like Sean Avery keep their big mouths shut, and players like Ryan Hollweg don't run people from behind.

[Humpzilla]

Right now i'm just watching my 2001-02 cumulative fight tapes, which i have a least 2-3 discs which cover almost every fight, brawl, hit, incident during that season (there were more, but i seem to have lost them).

But i swear, as much as I loved that season as a hockey fan back when I lived in South Florida, now that hockey is the way it is these days, it's a really bittersweet feeling to watch this stuff and realize how much fun pro hockey was back in the day, along with how dramatically different and ultimately disappointing & awful today's game is in comparison. Its sad, even though I get a really big kick out of the kind of intensity, brawling and chaos that was so commonplace in the league at that time. And when you think about it, this was the 2001 season....not exactly the best season ever, though there was some really great rivalries back then.

The Florida Panthers were in their Keenan years, and they had almost every tough guy imaginable in the lineup. God it makes me wish I could just go back and just soak it all in. Damn I miss real hockey

And if only the minor leagues could be as great as they were back then too.

[pigfarmer]

From the sharks boxscore vs. NJ.

Penalties

1st Period
New Jersey hooking - 2 min 8:36, B. Rolston
2nd Period
San Jose slashing - 2 min 1:30, M. Michalek
San Jose tripping - 2 min 8:48, R. Clowe
New Jersey slashing - 2 min 9:18, B. Rolston
San Jose high sticking - 2 min 12:32, A. Semenov
New Jersey interference - 2 min 18:34, C. White
New Jersey tripping - 2 min 19:08, J. Langenbrunner
3rd Period
San Jose hooking - 2 min 2:55, J. Thornton
San Jose boarding - 2 min 4:20, C. Ehrhoff
San Jose hooking - 2 min 7:12, D. Setoguchi
San Jose puck over glass - 2 min 9:51, D. Joslin
San Jose cross check - 2 min 14:59, J. Thornton
New Jersey holding - 2 min 17:14, J. Oduya


Scoring

1st Period
New Jersey 0:30, Brian Gionta 13 (Patrik Elias, Dainius Zubrus)
San Jose 4:34, Rob Blake 9 (Mike Grier)
New Jersey 8:01, Brian Rolston 10 (John Madden, Brian Gionta)
San Jose 8:46, Patrick Marleau 30 (power play) (Christian Ehrhoff, Joe Thornton)
New Jersey 12:41, David Clarkson 12 (Brian Rolston, Bryce Salvador)
2nd Period
San Jose 16:23, Jonathan Cheechoo 8 (Patrick Marleau, Christian Ehrhoff)
San Jose 19:47, Devin Setoguchi 24 (power play) (Joe Thornton, Rob Blake)
3rd Period
New Jersey 4:49, Patrik Elias 23 (power play) (Zach Parise, Jamie Langenbrunner)
New Jersey 7:40, Jamie Langenbrunner 18 (power play) (Zach Parise, Travis Zajac)
San Jose 10:56, Joe Pavelski 16 (shorthanded) (unassisted)
New Jersey 16:28, David Clarkson 13 (power play) (Brian Rolston, Brian Gionta)


I felt like I was watching the NBA all-star game.

[Godly_goon]

Why i think they should remove the instigator...

alright so there is all this talk about changing the rules for fighting well the simplest rule change that is best for both sides is REMOVE THE INSTIGATOR simple lets make fighting exciting again lets make fights mean something.. dont get me wrong i love the staged fights but what i love even more is after a huge hit watching some one get revenge..

what it would do would make fighters think before they fight.. example "hmm if i fight now ill be in the box for 5 minutes while my teams franchise player is out unprotected"

(i probably could have worded this way better)


also how about dressing an extra player instead of your usual 18 skaters have 19 dressed which would mean you could have a "role player" that wont take up any line space which would lead to more scoring touch on the 4th line which would improve goal scoring while still being able to dress an enforcer... and you wuoldnt even have to dress a fighter maybe even a shoot out expert or a saggy old chris chelios..

[HerbRaglan]

You know I am generally disgusted with the way hockey is played nowadays. I've been watching since the mid 80's. I love the fighting in the game and clearly the fans do too. Our society is some goddamned pussified now that we get a few pantywaste's wagging their fingers about the fighting and now they want toughen the rules futher. The fighting rules are already too stict. If you compare how the average fights were in the 80's to now, the difference is huge.

As far as I am concerned, NHL hockey has been ruined already. I don't like the extra-sportsmanship shown in the current fights. I don't think there is a real rivaly in most of the fights, it seems to be done for show only, and without real emotion, most of the time.

I attribute this generally to our over-feminized society and the estrogen-packed men that should be taking back their nuts from whatever jar they store them in. Sometimes I hope an asteroid comes and clocks the planet a good one, so we can start this whole thing over.

Herb Raglan!

[caps87]

im slowly getting tired of these types of threads too. they all have the same message

[HerbRaglan]

Originally Posted by caps87

im slowly getting tired of these types of threads too. they all have the same message

I don't give a rat's flithy behind what you are tired of. I'm made some points you can respond to the points or stfu, I really don't give a ****. I'm not going to read every damn thread here to see who has made similiar points. These are my original thoughts.

[thepolishkid88]

Originally Posted by HerbRaglan

You know I am generally disgusted with the way hockey is played nowadays. I've been watching since the mid 80's. I love the fighting in the game and clearly the fans do too. Our society is some goddamned pussified now that we get a few pantywaste's wagging their fingers about the fighting and now they want toughen the rules futher. The fighting rules are already too stict. If you compare how the average fights were in the 80's to know, the difference is huge.

As far as I am concerned, NHL hockey has been ruined already. I don't like the extra-sportsmanship shown in the current fights. I don't think there is a real rivaly in most of the fights, it seems to be done for show only, and without real emotion, most of the time.

I attribute this generally to our over-feminized society and the estrogen-packed men that should be taking back their nuts from whatever jar they store them in. Sometimes I hope an asteroid comes and clocks the planet a good one, so we can start this whole thing over.

Herb Raglan!

Completly agree. Had some guy at a Pens game not long ago say he wanted a penalty because Talbot got hit too hard... Id like some real hate in fights as well too. Some guys just look completly unintrested in fighting.

[HerbRaglan]

Originally Posted by thepolishkid88

Completly agree. Had some guy at a Pens game not long ago say he wanted a penalty because Talbot got hit too hard... Id like some real hate in fights as well too. Some guys just look completly unintrested in fighting.

It is a freaking joke. Hard hitting is the best part of the game. Who are these pussified gayboys coming to the games saying soandso got hit too hard. These types of feminists should be powdering each other's asses in the mens stalls, instead of demanding change in hockey.

Herb Raglan!

[itsJ.Millertime]

Originally Posted by HerbRaglan

You know I am generally disgusted with the way hockey is played nowadays. I've been watching since the mid 80's. I love the fighting in the game and clearly the fans do too. Our society is some goddamned pussified now that we get a few pantywaste's wagging their fingers about the fighting and now they want toughen the rules futher. The fighting rules are already too stict. If you compare how the average fights were in the 80's to now, the difference is huge.

As far as I am concerned, NHL hockey has been ruined already. I don't like the extra-sportsmanship shown in the current fights. I don't think there is a real rivaly in most of the fights, it seems to be done for show only, and without real emotion, most of the time.

I attribute this generally to our over-feminized society and the estrogen-packed men that should be taking back their nuts from whatever jar they store them in. Sometimes I hope an asteroid comes and clocks the planet a good one, so we can start this whole thing over.

Herb Raglan!

I disagree that society is to blame, ameican society is as violent and mean spirited as ever. Murder, road rage and other examples of violence are hourly occurances today. Much more so than the 70's or 80's when hockey was at it's best.

As far as sports go one only needs look at the meteoric rise of MMA leagues and the success of football at every level from high school to pro to see that americans and sports fans in general LOVE VIOLENCE!

No what changes is the hockey fan. Fans like you and I and many long time fans on this site are few and far between today. The pussification of this sport has been going on for nearly 20 years now and fans like us who have followed it since the 70's in my case and the 80's in yours are, in most part, gone today. Gone because of the reasons you mentioned, the puzzy way the games played. We have been replaced in part by fringe fans that don't understand the sport and fans who didn't like the sport when it was rough and tumble but enjoy it today because of the softness and lack of physical paly and fights.

[dumby]

relaxe people, the nhl has to make a few changes just like nascar did when they had a stretch of drivers dying. fighting aint going away, there not that stupid. be glad the league is at least doing something to appease certain people. the last thing you want is for politicians and congress to get involved like steroids in baseball. change is inetvitable in everything.certainly wouldnt blame the fans though, I would blame the players as much as anything.