NHL will lockout players...

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Agreed.

I'd bet 8-9 teams (maybe a few more) are responsible for 1/2 of the league revenues (profits).

If true, there is no way the league can be viable.

30% of the teams are responsible for 50% of the revenue? If accurate, I don't think that's a problem at all, that's pretty good in fact.

(profits)??? accountants are very funny people beneath their serious demeanors.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by Flyer_Frank

30% of the teams are responsible for 50% of the revenue? If accurate, I don't think that's a problem at all, that's pretty good in fact.

(profits)??? accountants are very funny people beneath their serious demeanors.

If true, therein lies the problem for the players. If they expect the "rich" owners to help subsidize the "poor" owners, while already providing much of the revenue generated, well, what do you think they are going to say?

What would you do? If you brought in 2xs as much money as your fellow owner then you also have to give up some cash to subsidize said owner(s). I wouldn't do it.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

If true, therein lies the problem for the players. If they expect the "rich" owners to help subsidize the "poor" owners, while already providing much of the revenue generated, well, what do you think they are going to say?

What would you do? If you brought in 2xs as much money as your fellow owner then you also have to give up some cash to subsidize said owner(s). I wouldn't do it.

The owners approve the other owners' purchases of their teams and there are a fair amount of shaky finances among the franchises. That's not the players' fault. What would I do? Not let these shaky, highly leveraged sales go through in the first place. 57% is high for player salaries, there should be some give there. The way UFA contracts can be structured with mega-cash up front that puts cash poorer franchises in a box when competing for the bigger ticket UFAs can be worked on. When a rich team makes a player an offer he can't refuse, should he refuse it anyway? A luxury tax and more revenue sharing should be part of the package too. There has to be some flexibility on a few issues.

[Jack Schitt]

It's looking more and more like there will be a lockout of some duration. Figures that it would be the first season in a long time that i am actually excited about, given the Sabres off season moves. This sucks.

[puck_me_gently]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Agreed.

I'd bet 8-9 teams (maybe a few more) are responsible for 1/2 of the league revenues (profits).

If true, there is no way the league can be viable.

Let's say the broke-ass Islanders come play a game in Toronto. The Leafs will sell out the arena, sell a buttload of concessions t-shirts etc and make a good return.

Hell the Islanders probably make as much money for the Leafs and the Rangers as they do for themselves. The rich teams do benefit from the broke ones.

[straka91]

Ill have to find a link but Flyers owner said there will most likely be a lockout. Bettmans interview does not show any good signs. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640328 Also on Forbes.com, there has been a trend of the amount of teams in the red.

2008- 12
2009- 14
2010- 16
2011- 18
2012- ???

So much for Bettmans growth B.S. To my surprise, SJ has been in the red. I thought they were doing decent but I guess not. After seeing this, the NHL's offer does not seem like a total lowball like I initially thought.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by straka91

Ill have to find a link but Flyers owner said there will most likely be a lockout. Bettmans interview does not show any good signs. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640328 Also on Forbes.com, there has been a trend of the amount of teams in the red.

2008- 12
2009- 14
2010- 16
2011- 18
2012- ???

So much for Bettmans growth B.S. To my surprise, SJ has been in the red. I thought they were doing decent but I guess not. After seeing this, the NHL's offer does not seem like a total lowball like I initially thought.

I'd like to see a link to the Forbes article if you have it. The financial meltdown happened in late 08, but then the cap hasn't jumped much since then until this year. I remember in 09, some analysts were talking about cap Armageddon! That never happened. I'm sure non-salary expenses have gone up but I have to think revenues have increased too. I'd like to see more stats . . . . trust but verify.

[straka91]

Originally Posted by Flyer_Frank

I'd like to see a link to the Forbes article if you have it. The financial meltdown happened in late 08, but then the cap hasn't jumped much since then until this year. I remember in 09, some analysts were talking about cap Armageddon! That never happened. I'm sure non-salary expenses have gone up but I have to think revenues have increased too. I'd like to see more stats . . . . trust but verify.

Look at the operating income.
http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/


A few of teams reported small losses but nothing to be alarming. Revenue is directly tied to total league revenue, which is growing but 3 teams are carrying the bulk of the revenue.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by straka91

Look at the operating income.
http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/


A few of teams reported small losses but nothing to be alarming. Revenue is directly tied to total league revenue, which is growing but 3 teams are carrying the bulk of the revenue.

The Flyers, in the 4th largest market in the US, only grossed $1M more dollars than Pittsburgh? Some of those numbers don't look right . . . . .

[Habs # 1]

Islanders need a new building or they are going to fold.

It would be a shame.

Phoenix can come to Canada anytime now.

[brandonh19]

I was really expecting that this would get worked out but it being so close to the 15th deadline and something i've heard from a few minor league players that i know. We're not going to see the season start on time. I know two guys who play in the ECHL they're not on NHL contracts so they get bounced around a lot. He spoke to his agent who talked to a few teams and told him he should be prepared to sign in the SPHL or the Fed because there will be a lot of player shuffling.

[Flyer_Frank]

Originally Posted by Habs # 1

Islanders need a new building or they are going to fold.

It would be a shame.

Phoenix can come to Canada anytime now.

The Fishsticks won't fold, they may end up in the new arena in Brooklyn. If I had to bet $1 on what happens there, that's where I'd place it. Would love to see the return of The Nords.

[Gunslinger]

I kinda think your right Frank but are you referring to being a tenant in the 'Nets new building? Not sure if that would work as far as booking times go. I would really hate to see the Isles close up shop cuz they do have a fan base but can you blame them for not going to that dump? And their legit history.....would be sorry to see them go(and I don't think they will either). As for the 'Yotes...the sooner Gary sucks it up and moves em' to Quebec City the better.

[Gary_Bettman]

Sorry guys, I feel terrible about this

[fcm]

Really I have no mercy for the failing franchises. If your franchise is in the red, sell it, move it somewhere else, close it, whatever. People will learn that Phoenix and Miami aren't good hockey markets and there are better ones. Some owner found out Winnipeg was better than Atlanta, why not do the same with the other failing franchises?