NHL Cancels Regular Season Games Through November 30th

[gdameo]

I'm confused? The title of this thread is "NHL Cancels Regular Games Through November 30th" but all I'm seeing is an argument about soccer and hockey?

Where is the admin anyway?

[NickDoh]

So the absolutely most absurdly overpriced "academy" for soccer in Toronto is still cheaper than hockey by at least 200$. Neat.

Sounds like we all agree.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by NickDoh

So the absolutely most absurdly overpriced "academy" for soccer in Toronto is still cheaper than hockey by at least 200$. Neat.

Sounds like we all agree.

Actually it is one of a few, and they all charge between $3000 - 5000, which is roughly $1000 - 2000 more than hockey

Can we move on now.

[NickDoh]

http://torontosoccerassociation.ca/site/

Saved you a few thousand bucks with a 3second Google search. You can thank me by getting me a set of wrenches (standard) for Christmas.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Oh my god, are you kidding me? Really? You pick the poorest continent in the world as an example. And you try and justify what you're saying by using it (Africa?) How many Africans do you think have actually heard of hockey, let alone have a hockey rink or actually play it? Ridiculous.

Hockey is not FAR more expensive. Sorry bud. What is great about this site, is the amount of armchair know-it-all's who profess such great knowledge & wisdom about things they actually have never been involved in & will never be.

EDIT - when you have a child or children doing both, then feel free to tell me the differences in costs.

$2400 for soccer, $2600 for hockey -- pretty close wouldn't you say???????????????

http://www.academysoccer.ca/index.php?link=cost It lists both club cost (which is what my son is on) and academy cost (a rough estimate for both - but this should give you an idea)

http://www.italiansoccertrainingcamps.com/ -- take a peek at what it costs to attend a camp for a week at this soccer club

There are tons out there.

there's no ice rinks in Africa because they have no money Einstein.

They do have plenty of land and some rich white people have given them a few 10 dollar soccer balls to play with. Notice how many World cup soccer players come out of Africa? Plenty and they dont need to spend money doing so.
You're a sucker for spending all that on soccer. But dont project your stupidity to others please.

My son tried hockey here in arizona for a while. Cost me around 1000 to get him involved. He now plays flag football and it cost me about 200. that's sounds comparible to what it should be for soccer.

Who's teaching your son to play soccer Beckett?

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by canuck2

there's no ice rinks in Africa because they have no money Einstein.

They do have plenty of land and some rich white people have given them a few 10 dollar soccer balls to play with. Notice how many World cup soccer players come out of Africa? Plenty and they dont need to spend money doing so.
You're a sucker for spending all that on soccer. But dont project your stupidity to others please.

My son tried hockey here in arizona for a while. Cost me around 1000 to get him involved. He now plays flag football and it cost me about 200. that's sounds comparible to what it should be for soccer.

Who's teaching your son to play soccer Beckett?

I guess the 1000's of kids in Ontario that pay that money and more are all suckers.

Thanks.

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by NickDoh

http://torontosoccerassociation.ca/site/

Saved you a few thousand bucks with a 3second Google search. You can thank me by getting me a set of wrenches (standard) for Christmas.

When reality hits, please feel free to let me know. Until then, keep providing more dumb information with the rest of the anti-soccer crowd. I am so glad you nitwits think your assumptions actually equal fact.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

When reality hits, please feel free to let me know. Until then, keep providing more dumb information with the rest of the anti-soccer crowd. I am so glad you nitwits think your assumptions actually equal fact.

How have you not yet grasped the point that soccer, on its most basic level, is a lot cheaper than hockey, on its most basic level?

It's like saying a bicycle isn't cheaper than a used car because YOU dropped $6,000 on the best road bike on the market.

[NickDoh]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

When reality hits, please feel free to let me know. Until then, keep providing more dumb information with the rest of the anti-soccer crowd. I am so glad you nitwits think your assumptions actually equal fact.

I am not anti-soccer. I am just of the 99.99% of the population that thinks(knows) soccer is cheaper to learn, play, be a part of, participate in, get proper equipment for, etc etc than hockey is. That is it. No secret agendas.

Might as well throw in a set of matching metrics to make up for all that hullabaloo now too.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

I guess the 1000's of kids in Ontario that pay that money and more are all suckers.

Thanks.

My niece plays on a rep team in thunder bay. It's more like a couple of hundred dollars.

Quit lying!!

are you sure your son's costs aren't being reflected in the special needs soccer he plays? All those padded helmets and drool gaurds costs money.

I get it!!!

[ChiefJunior]

Hahahahahahahaha.

This is great.

I do love how all the rejects come out of the woodwork to try and prove some point, when all it is based upon is what you THINK, but not what you know.

Please, keep trying. Someone on here must have an IQ over 70, the question is where can I find him/her?

Thanks for the laughs.

[ChiefJunior]

U12 Boys (2000) Teams
Rankings as of September 4, 2012

# Team League GP W L T GF GA PCT TPR +/-
1 Mooredale Lightning Gold CSL (L3) 13 8 1 4 49 15 0.760 111.3 --
2 Brampton East FC SRSL (L3) 13 11 1 1 30 9 0.880 110.5 --
3 Vaughan Battlecats CSL (L3) 13 7 4 2 47 12 0.610 107.5 --
4 Kitchener Spirit WOYSL (L4) 12 11 1 0 58 11 0.910 107.2 --
5 Woodbridge M A CSL (L3) 12 7 3 2 37 10 0.660 106.7 --
6 Burlington Bayhawks B00A SRSL (L3) 13 7 2 4 17 10 0.690 103.8 --
7 Vaughan Stallions CSL (L3) 14 8 4 2 25 17 0.640 103.7 --
8 SC Toronto M CSL (L3) 13 6 6 1 36 25 0.500 103.5 --
9 Whitby Iroquois A M CSL (L3) 12 6 3 3 37 11 0.620 103.3 --
10 North Mississauga A SRSL (L3) 11 6 4 1 21 14 0.590 102.6 --

11 Erin Mills A SRSL (L3) 12 4 5 3 14 13 0.450 100.3 --
12 FC London WOYSL (L4) 12 8 4 0 29 21 0.660 99.9 --
13 Brampton Blast 00 SRSL (L3) 14 4 6 4 15 19 0.420 97.9 --
14 Spartacus 2000 CSL (L3) 13 3 6 4 18 21 0.380 97.8 --
15 Pickering Power Green 00B CSL (L3) 14 4 8 2 23 48 0.350 97.2 --
16 Oakville A SRSL (L3) 15 4 9 2 31 34 0.330 94.3 --
17 Erin Mills B SRSL (L4) 12 11 1 0 51 9 0.910 93.8 --
18 Windsor FC Nationals WOYSL (L4) 10 3 7 0 17 41 0.300 90.6 --
19 Niagara Falls Titans SRSL (L4) 12 10 1 1 44 9 0.870 89.7 --
20 Brantford City A SRSL (L3) 12 1 10 1 6 35 0.120 89.5 --
21 Mooredale '00 White CSL (L4) 13 11 1 1 47 19 0.880 88.9 --
22 NSSC STRIKERS CSL (L3) 14 0 14 0 0 113 0.000 88.2 --
23 UMSC STRIKERS RED CSL (L4) 12 8 2 2 23 11 0.750 85.5 --
24 Ajax FC 2000 Boys Red CSL (L4) 13 8 2 3 48 25 0.730 84.0 --
25 Waterloo United WOYSL (L4) 10 0 10 0 5 36 0.000 83.3 --
26 Mississauga SRSL (L4) 12 7 4 1 23 22 0.620 83.1 --
27 Markham B00B CSL (L4) 14 8 5 1 34 28 0.600 81.3 --
28 Brampton Blast Blue 00 SRSL (L4) 11 4 5 2 21 26 0.450 79.0 --
29 Mt. Hamilton A SRSL (L4) 12 4 6 2 18 35 0.410 78.1 --
30 Richmond Hill M CSL (L4) 13 5 6 2 27 26 0.460 77.5 --
31 Georgetown Mustangs SRSL (L4) 13 4 7 2 31 40 0.380 77.4 --
32 Etobicoke Energy CSL (L4) 13 11 0 2 56 13 0.920 76.1 --
33 Concord Blue SRSL (L4) 12 3 8 1 20 29 0.290 75.2 --
34 Brampton East Eagles SRSL (L4) 12 10 1 1 42 15 0.870 75.1 --
35 York Jets M CSL (L4) 11 8 0 3 31 10 0.860 74.9 --
36 Flamborough Flames SRSL (L4) 12 10 2 0 51 25 0.830 74.2 --
37 NY Cosmos M CSL (L4) 11 9 1 1 41 13 0.860 73.6 --
38 Dixie Athletic 00s SRSL (L4) 13 10 2 1 57 18 0.800 73.5 --
39 Erin Mills C SRSL (L4) 13 9 4 0 45 22 0.690 70.8 --
40 Windsor Ciociaro SC 01 WADSL (L5) 14 14 0 0 82 7 1.000 70.8 --
41 Bradford M CSL (L4) 13 8 2 3 32 7 0.730 70.7 --
42 Leaside M CSL (L4) 12 2 9 1 13 33 0.200 70.7 --
43 OTSC Dragons CSL (L4) 11 2 9 0 15 40 0.180 70.1 --
44 OSU 2000 Black EODSA (L) 6 6 0 0 31 4 1.000 69.5 --
45 Clarkson Comets SRSL (L4) 12 0 11 1 12 50 0.040 69.3 --
46 Woodbridge M B CSL (L4) 11 6 4 1 32 25 0.590 68.6 --
47 King City CSL (L4) 10 4 2 4 26 17 0.600 68.3 --
48 Hillcrest M CSL (L4) 12 7 3 2 27 16 0.660 68.3 --
49 Wexford M CSL (L4) 12 0 10 2 11 36 0.080 67.8 --
50 Nepean Hotspurs Hurricanes EODSA (L) 7 6 1 0 23 12 0.850 67.5 --
# Team League GP W L T GF GA PCT TPR +/-
51 East York M CSL (L4) 9 4 3 2 10 10 0.550 65.7 --
52 Windsor Wheels 00 WADSL (L5) 14 11 2 1 59 19 0.820 65.1 --
53 Lasalle Stompers 01 WADSL (L5) 14 10 1 3 45 14 0.820 65.0 --
54 Oakville B SRSL (L4) 14 6 8 0 30 35 0.420 64.5 --
55 Gloucester Impact EODSA (L) 5 4 1 0 18 11 0.800 64.1 --
56 Belleville BU12 SOSA (L5) 4 3 0 1 8 1 0.870 64.0 --
57 Tecumseh Warriors WADSL (L5) 14 10 3 1 56 17 0.750 63.8 --
58 London United Fury LDYSL (L5) 18 11 3 4 54 28 0.720 62.3 --
59 USC Karpaty M CSL (L4) 13 4 7 2 20 38 0.380 62.2 --
60 Darlington Blaze CSL (L4) 10 3 5 2 14 16 0.400 62.1 --
61 Barrie M CSL (L4) 13 4 8 1 16 34 0.340 61.9 --
62 Oakville C SRSL (L4) 14 3 10 1 17 46 0.250 61.4 --
63 Ajax FC 2000 Boys White CSL (L4) 11 4 7 0 22 23 0.360 61.3 --
64 Kitchener B SWRSL (L5) 15 10 2 3 35 15 0.760 60.9 --
65 Sarnia FC LDYSL (L5) 18 10 5 3 47 25 0.630 59.9 --
66 Leamington United WADSL (L5) 14 7 4 3 32 30 0.600 59.9 --
67 London Marconi Blitz LDYSL (L5) 18 10 6 2 34 16 0.610 59.3 --
68 NL-FC London Premier LDYSL (L5) 18 8 5 5 45 32 0.580 58.6 --
69 Burlington Bayhawks B00B SRSL (L4) 14 2 11 1 12 44 0.170 58.5 --
70 Cataraqui Clippers 1 SOSA (L5) 5 3 2 0 9 5 0.600 58.1 --
71 Middlesex Sonics LDYSL (L5) 18 9 8 1 46 36 0.520 57.7 --
72 Guelph SWRSL (L5) 15 7 4 4 31 22 0.600 57.2 --
73 Ottawa Royals EODSA (L) 5 2 2 1 10 15 0.500 56.8 --
74 North Toronto CSL (L4) 14 1 12 1 14 46 0.100 56.8 --
75 Aurora Stingers CSL (L4) 12 1 10 1 9 37 0.120 56.1 --
76 St. Cath Roma SRSL (L4) 14 1 13 0 16 65 0.070 56.0 --
77 Kingston United 2 SOSA (L5) 5 2 2 1 8 11 0.500 55.8 --
78 Orangeville SWRSL (L5) 14 6 5 3 22 19 0.530 55.8 --
79 Croatia Thunder WADSL (L5) 14 5 8 1 26 36 0.390 54.8 --
80 Waterloo United 1 SWRSL (L5) 15 7 8 0 29 24 0.460 54.4 --
81 NDUFC M CSL (L4) 11 0 10 1 7 52 0.040 53.9 --
82 West Ottawa EODSA (L) 7 2 4 1 11 14 0.350 53.4 --
83 Ottawa Internationals EODSA (L) 6 1 3 2 12 14 0.330 52.7 --
84 Ciociaro Windsor 00 WADSL (L5) 14 4 10 0 15 56 0.280 52.2 --
85 Southend Jr Lightning LDYSL (L5) 18 3 12 3 28 61 0.250 51.2 --
86 Cambridge SWRSL (L5) 14 4 9 1 19 37 0.320 51.1 --
87 Stoney Creek SRSL (L4) 13 12 1 0 62 16 0.920 50.7 --
88 Waterloo United 2 SWRSL (L5) 15 4 10 1 14 33 0.300 50.6 --
89 Croatia Storm WADSL (L5) 14 2 11 1 23 45 0.170 49.6 --
90 Woodstock Jr Stallions LDYSL (L5) 18 3 15 0 27 83 0.160 49.4 --
91 Future Pro WADSL (L5) 14 1 13 0 12 60 0.070 47.1 --
92 Caboto WADSL (L5) 14 1 13 0 13 79 0.070 47.1 --
93 OSU 2000 White EODSA (L) 7 0 6 1 8 33 0.070 46.6 --
94 Milton A SRSL (L4) 11 8 2 1 41 19 0.770 46.2 --
95 North Mississauga B SRSL (L4) 13 7 5 1 29 27 0.570 41.6 --
96 Paris FC SRSL (L4) 13 7 5 1 36 23 0.570 41.6 --
97 Sporting FC TDYSL (L5) 15 13 2 0 67 20 0.860 41.4 --
98 Brampton East Beasts SRSL (L4) 12 11 1 0 59 7 0.910 39.7 --
99 Oakridge FC LDYSL (L6) 18 18 0 0 93 12 1.000 39.4 --
100 Cherry Beach Dragons TDYSL (L5) 15 11 1 3 62 18 0.830 39.0 --
# Team League GP W L T GF GA PCT TPR +/-
101 Burlington Bayhawks B00C SRSL (L4) 13 5 6 2 29 33 0.460 38.8 --
102 Peterborough M U-12 CESL (L5) 12 10 1 1 41 13 0.870 38.5 --
103 Caledon 2000 Boys SRSL (L4) 13 5 7 1 30 33 0.420 38.0 --
104 Niagara United Boys SRSL (L4) 13 11 2 0 56 27 0.840 37.7 --
105 Whitby Iroquois 00B CESL (L5) 12 9 3 0 34 18 0.750 35.6 --
106 Armour Heights Knights TDYSL (L5) 15 8 3 4 52 29 0.660 35.1 --
107 Erin Mills D SRSL (L4) 13 9 3 1 55 15 0.730 34.9 --
108 Rexdale Rebels TDYSL (L5) 15 9 5 1 34 25 0.630 34.5 --
109 Islington Rangers TDYSL (L5) 16 8 4 4 58 32 0.620 34.2 --
110 Stratford SWRSL (L6) 15 11 2 2 70 28 0.800 34.1 --
111 London Marconi Blue Devils LDYSL (L6) 18 14 3 1 98 39 0.800 34.0 --
112 Brantford Galaxy SRSL (L4) 14 2 9 3 11 48 0.250 33.8 --
113 SC Toronto Navy TDYSL (L5) 16 8 7 1 40 38 0.530 32.1 --
114 Hamilton Sparta SRSL (L4) 14 7 4 3 36 23 0.600 31.8 --
115 Scar. Rangers United CESL (L5) 12 6 4 2 25 33 0.580 31.6 --
116 Fergus A SWRSL (L6) 15 9 4 2 55 27 0.660 31.0 --
117 St Thomas Vipers LDYSL (L6) 18 11 5 2 73 41 0.660 30.7 --
118 Oshawa Kicks Red Bulls CESL (L5) 11 5 4 2 31 28 0.540 30.7 --
119 West Hamilton SRSL (L4) 15 7 6 2 51 26 0.530 30.1 --
120 Etobicoke Energy White TDYSL (L5) 15 4 6 5 24 28 0.430 29.7 --
121 Dorchester United LDYSL (L6) 18 9 5 4 80 49 0.610 29.3 --
122 Glengarry EODSA (L5) 7 4 2 1 25 15 0.640 29.2 --
123 Capital United EODSA (L5) 7 3 1 3 16 8 0.640 29.1 --
124 Georgetown Mustangs SRSL (L4) 12 0 11 1 11 50 0.040 29.0 --
125 Toronto High Park Red TDYSL (L5) 14 5 8 1 40 44 0.390 28.9 --
126 Scar. Rangers M U-12 CESL (L5) 11 5 6 0 31 28 0.450 28.6 --
127 Leaside Tigers TDYSL (L5) 16 5 9 2 26 33 0.370 28.4 --
128 Lambeth Lancers LDYSL (L6) 18 9 7 2 62 35 0.550 28.1 --
129 Huron United SWRSL (L6) 15 7 6 2 48 45 0.530 27.9 --
130 Guelph SWRSL (L6) 15 6 5 4 59 36 0.530 27.8 --
131 Pickering Power Gold 00B CESL (L5) 15 14 0 1 51 16 0.960 27.7 --
132 Seaway Valley EODSA (L5) 7 3 2 2 15 13 0.570 27.6 --
133 Dundas SRSL (L4) 13 5 7 1 28 33 0.420 27.5 --
134 Simcoe Falcons LDYSL (L6) 18 8 9 1 59 49 0.470 26.1 --
135 OSU 2001 Black EODSA (L5) 7 2 2 3 11 13 0.500 25.9 --
136 Russell EODSA (L) 14 11 0 3 53 15 0.890 25.6 --
137 Nepean City Storm EODSA (L) 12 10 1 1 38 12 0.870 25.3 --
138 Cumberland Blue EODSA (L) 14 10 0 4 67 12 0.850 24.8 --
139 Woolwich SWRSL (L6) 15 3 6 6 38 41 0.400 24.7 --
140 Nepean Hotspurs Blaze EODSA (L5) 7 2 3 2 11 14 0.420 24.4 --
141 German Canadian Fire LDYSL (L6) 18 5 9 4 48 73 0.380 24.1 --
142 OSU Rage 2000 EODSA (L) 13 10 2 1 38 12 0.800 23.7 --
143 Ajax FC 2000 Boys Black CESL (L5) 12 2 8 2 14 22 0.250 23.7 --
144 North Toronto Nitros TDYSL (L5) 17 1 15 1 15 84 0.080 21.8 --
145 Toronto High Park White TDYSL (L5) 14 0 12 2 12 79 0.070 21.3 --
146 Clairlea M U-12 CESL (L5) 15 9 3 3 42 26 0.700 21.3 --
147 West Ottawa EODSA (L5) 7 1 4 2 8 16 0.280 21.2 --
148 Ottawa Internationals EODSA (L5) 7 1 4 2 4 16 0.280 21.2 --
149 Saltfleet B SRSL (L4) 12 0 8 4 6 53 0.160 21.2 --
150 Carleton Place EODSA (L) 13 8 3 2 40 21 0.690 21.0 --
# Team League GP W L T GF GA PCT TPR +/-
151 Gloucester Attack EODSA (L) 14 9 4 1 44 16 0.670 20.7 --
152 Ancaster Titans SRSL (L4) 14 1 11 2 16 79 0.140 20.7 --
153 Ingersoll Flyers LDYSL (L6) 18 4 14 0 27 100 0.220 20.3 --
154 Flamborough Flames B SRSL (L4) 12 0 9 3 8 52 0.120 20.2 --
155 Cobourg M U-12 CESL (L5) 12 0 11 1 18 52 0.040 18.9 --
156 Tillsonburg Titans LDYSL (L6) 18 1 14 3 25 105 0.130 18.2 --
157 Norwest Warriors LDYSL (L6) 18 1 14 3 24 86 0.130 18.2 --
158 Kemptville EODSA (L) 14 7 6 1 24 22 0.530 17.4 --
159 Almonte EODSA (L) 14 5 4 5 23 25 0.530 17.3 --
160 Fergus B SWRSL (L6) 15 1 14 0 10 103 0.060 17.2 --
161 OSU 2001 White EODSA (L) 12 5 5 2 21 27 0.500 16.5 --
162 Oshawa Kicks Monsters CESL (L5) 15 6 8 1 27 40 0.430 15.1 --
163 Wexford Eagles CESL (L5) 15 6 9 0 30 34 0.400 14.4 --
164 Ottawa Royals EODSA (L) 13 4 7 2 16 28 0.380 13.9 --
165 Ottawa Internationals Red EODSA (L) 14 3 8 3 19 43 0.320 12.4 --
166 Gloucester Swarm EODSA (L) 13 3 8 2 19 56 0.300 12.1 --
167 Ottawa Internationals Black EODSA (L) 14 2 8 4 15 31 0.280 11.5 --
168 Cavan FC CESL (L5) 15 4 11 0 19 32 0.260 11.3 --
169 OSU Titans 2000 EODSA (L) 13 3 9 1 15 34 0.260 11.2 --
170 Cumberland White EODSA (L) 14 2 9 3 16 48 0.250 10.7 --
171 Kawartha Inferno CESL (L5) 15 2 10 3 21 42 0.230 10.4 --
172 OSU Attack 2000 EODSA (L) 13 2 9 2 17 32 0.230 10.3 --
173 Nepean Hotspurs EODSA (L) 14 1 12 1 9 40 0.100 7.5 --

173 REP soccer teams from Ontario (U12)

So roughly 2500 special needs kids (parents must be too, correct) that pay a premium to play soccer. Who would have thought?

Thanks for trying.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Hahahahahahahaha.

This is great.

I do love how all the rejects come out of the woodwork to try and prove some point, when all it is based upon is what you THINK, but not what you know.

Please, keep trying. Someone on here must have an IQ over 70, the question is where can I find him/her?

Thanks for the laughs.

You'd be lucky to get a pair of used hockey skates for the price of new soccer cleats, let alone the rest of the equipment needed for hockey. Dude, do you have mental issues??

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

You'd be lucky to get a pair of used hockey skates for the price of new soccer cleats, let alone the rest of the equipment. Dude, do you have mental issues??

Are you retarded?

I'm not sure where it is you shop, but you do realize there are plenty of places here to get used skates for under $40. You also do realize that the price of some soccer shoes are just under $200.

You also realize that you can get everything (minus your used skates and a helmet) for just over $100 at CDN tire here, correct?

So take in to account those prices, plus the $2000 - 2500 it costs to play rep hockey, and then add the new shoes to the price of $2000 - 2500 to play soccer, and you will see it is roughly the same.

Now if you want to play and learn at a higher level in soccer, then an academy will cost you up to $5000, where as playing at the AAA level (which is the highest you can go) will still cost you roughly $2500.

Since my kid plays both, soccer and hockey (although not AAA - only AA) how is it that I don't know what I am talking about, when none of you are in the same situation?

How can any of you argue when none of you have a child that does both, or even one?

Get over it. None of you, not ONE, have any clue. Case closed. Move on.

[NickDoh]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

U12 Boys (2000) Teams
Rankings as of September 4, 2012

# Team League GP W L T GF GA PCT TPR +/-
1 Mooredale Lightning Gold CSL (L3) 13 8 1 4 49

***EDITTED FOR LENGTH***

So roughly 2500 special needs kids (parents must be too, correct) that pay a premium to play soccer. Who would have thought?

Thanks for trying.

Dude, you have money obviously and are an awesome parent. And you want the best for your awesome kid. You spent a few extra bucks to get him what you think is the best. OWN IT. Be proud of it. Boast about it even. But don't try to pretend that's what the world standard is.