NHL Cancels Regular Season Games Through November 30th

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by Plateworker

I knew just by reading your posts that you would completely and utterly miss the point by a mile and a half. You are obviously bitter about what you earn or what others earn over you. Obviously you will be voting for Obama as class warfare seems to be your only alibi.

Like I said missed by a mile. My company makes money hand over fist, never had a loss in its history and it was its most profitable year ever. I work a dangerous job that i have trained years for and I EXPECT to get paid what I deserve since I can not be easily replaced. I want and deserve my 50$ an hour not the 25-30 they want to pay me so they can maximize their bottom line. What the charge the public is none of my concern, it is theirs. They make plenty enough money to compensate without ripping the public off.

By your logic if I was one of only say 100 programmers that can perform whatever function I do as that programmer I expect to be compensated WELL. I know you will belittle the comparison but it is the POINT I am trying to make. Hockey players in the NHL are UNIQUE so much so that out of 6 billion people on the planet only 700+ are good enough to do what they do. And by your logic since it is only a game they should just except whatever the owners give them. Don't worry you didn't build hockey us owners did...lol...yeah ok. guess what I cant afford to go to a game either but apparently there are plenty who can.

You can't seem to get over the point that they make a lot of money playing a game that ENTERTAINS millions of people every year, that a whole country lives by. You keep bringing up money time and again without understanding that no matter how you cut it they do something you and I can not. I can never understand a person whose logic dictates that they would rather see money go to a billionaire then to the person that makes that billionaire his money...and lots of it

Sorry bud, I didn't miss anything.

Comparing $50 an hour and a $2.4mil. avg salary goes beyond logic. I understand your point about your company. As I have stated, I am in a union, I know what it is like to not have your contract honoured and what it is like for the owner to bargain in bad faith. However, fighting to make a living, and fighting to continue to be rich (beyond most peoples dreams & beyond most of our realities) playing a child's game (yep, it still is, no matter how you want to twist it) is ridiculous.

You say NHL'rs are unique. However using the worlds pop. as an example is also illogical. Please remind me how the elderly, a baby, a handicapped person etc.. can play hockey let alone in the NHL? You also fail to mention or realize that many countries in the world don't even have people playing hockey, nor care for it. Be realistic here. They have 700 players because that is what is needed to fill up the teams in the league. If they expanded and added 10 more teams, they would have 200 more players, or if they cut teams they would have less.

You claim I am bitter about money and how much I earn, but here you are complaining about making less money. Does that not make you bitter as well?

What country lives by hockey? Let me guess, Canada? Funny, I live here, and as far as I know, hockey is now SECOND, to soccer here. I hate to tell you this, but hockey registration is going down every year here. It will not get any better any time soon.

Anyways, again, call me what you want, but I will never have sympathy for a millionaire. NEVER.

If your boss offered you %50 of the profits, would you turn it down?

[flex_buff_chest]

The players have to do what they have to do. If they feel they deserve more then what they are being offered FINE.

Just don't expect me to understand. They are not the everyman nor will they ever be.

[RedWolf]

Owners playing hardball with Fans asking for refunds
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/...financial.html

“We travel a lot and my wife is in grad school,” he said. “We planned to sell a lot of the tickets. At no time did we ever imagine them holding onto thousands of our dollars indefinitely. They were very defiant, very insistent that we can’t touch any of that money or we’d lose our seniority and benefits. We had no choice.”


You can't blame the players for directly screwing over season ticket holders that are asking for a refund. Now I'm reading that the owners may actually be leaning towards something like the 3rd proposal the NHLPA submitted (one of 3 they rejected in record time).

[woeisme]

The only thing I've learned form this lockout is that the owners don't care about their customers and fan bases, and totally don't deserve us.

[D Y B FLYERS]

Originally Posted by woeisme

The only thing I've learned form this lockout is that the owners don't care about their customers and fan bases, and totally don't deserve us.

And you think the players do?

[pigfarmer]

Originally Posted by woeisme

The only thing I've learned form this lockout is that the owners don't care about their customers and fan bases, and totally don't deserve us.

That wasn't obvious from the way the game has been bastardized the last 10 years?

[leon phelps]

owners make hundreds of millions. it comes in forever.

players get a chance to make tens, they need to get it in ten years or it is gone.

great to read how owners are holding refunds hostage.

[Tucker_316]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Sorry bud, I didn't miss anything.

Comparing $50 an hour and a $2.4mil. avg salary goes beyond logic. I understand your point about your company. As I have stated, I am in a union, I know what it is like to not have your contract honoured and what it is like for the owner to bargain in bad faith. However, fighting to make a living, and fighting to continue to be rich (beyond most peoples dreams & beyond most of our realities) playing a child's game (yep, it still is, no matter how you want to twist it) is ridiculous.

You say NHL'rs are unique. However using the worlds pop. as an example is also illogical. Please remind me how the elderly, a baby, a handicapped person etc.. can play hockey let alone in the NHL? You also fail to mention or realize that many countries in the world don't even have people playing hockey, nor care for it. Be realistic here. They have 700 players because that is what is needed to fill up the teams in the league. If they expanded and added 10 more teams, they would have 200 more players, or if they cut teams they would have less.

You claim I am bitter about money and how much I earn, but here you are complaining about making less money. Does that not make you bitter as well?

What country lives by hockey? Let me guess, Canada? Funny, I live here, and as far as I know, hockey is now SECOND, to soccer here. I hate to tell you this, but hockey registration is going down every year here. It will not get any better any time soon.

Anyways, again, call me what you want, but I will never have sympathy for a millionaire. NEVER.

If your boss offered you %50 of the profits, would you turn it down?

Sorry dude, but Soccer is only ahead of Hockey amongst chicks and young kids. After a certain age you'll note there are way more registered Hockey kids. Not to mention the fact here they simply enroll to stay active, and the cost is far cheaper than it is for Hockey. It's not with some passion for the sport that has subsided or some desire to excel at soccer that kids get into it. All you need are some cleats and a ball. Ask people what they care most about, they wont be saying soccer. It's Hockey by far.

[bustoff]

At least these bastards are meeting for a third day in a row so I guess that's optimistic in a way........

[fansince65]

I dont give a crap anymore if they are in talks 24 hours a day , I canceled my super sports pack yesterday , I have been attending so many junior games I will not have time to watch the NHL if they do start up anyway..

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by Tucker_316

Sorry dude, but Soccer is only ahead of Hockey amongst chicks and young kids. After a certain age you'll note there are way more registered Hockey kids. Not to mention the fact here they simply enroll to stay active, and the cost is far cheaper than it is for Hockey. It's not with some passion for the sport that has subsided or some desire to excel at soccer that kids get into it. All you need are some cleats and a ball. Ask people what they care most about, they wont be saying soccer. It's Hockey by far.

You do realize that those young kids playing soccer are the future, correct? The more young kids playing soccer equals less young kids playing hockey. So, that in itself should explain how soccer is slowly but surely taking over hockey.

If you don't think kids have a passion for soccer, you have never been to a rep soccer game. You need more than cleats and a ball to play the game. I don't know where you live, but do yourself a favour and go out and watch some rep soccer games and come back and tell me about passion.

You base what you have said on what you feel, not by facts nor by actually going and education yourself about soccer. It is now played all year round, and is becoming more & more expensive as it grows. The passion is there.

[D Y B FLYERS]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

You do realize that those young kids playing soccer are the future, correct? The more young kids playing soccer equals less young kids playing hockey. So, that in itself should explain how soccer is slowly but surely taking over hockey.

If you don't think kids have a passion for soccer, you have never been to a rep soccer game. You need more than cleats and a ball to play the game. I don't know where you live, but do yourself a favour and go out and watch some rep soccer games and come back and tell me about passion.

You base what you have said on what you feel, not by facts nor by actually going and education yourself about soccer. It is now played all year round, and is becoming more & more expensive as it grows. The passion is there.

I see your from Canada, so obviously your opinion/observations between soccer and hockey are probably a bit different than mine from Pennsylvania. But just to chime in with my .02, since I was a kid, there have always been a lot more kids playing soccer than hockey. I'll be 28 in a week, and it is still that way. I honestly don't really see a rise in the popularity in soccer at all. To me, it is about where it was when I was a youngster and played going back to 1990-91 time frame. High School soccer still isn't any popular now than it was then. I am not saying soccer is in the decline either, but it certainly isn't surging in the youth, only to overtake the followers with it to one day soon make MLS more popular than the NHL. There are 2 reasons more kids play soccer than hockey (specifically here in the US). First of all, soccer is a hell of a lot cheaper. Most townships/county's here all have one, if not several Rec leagues for kids. You might pay $30-$40/season for your kid to play. You might have to pay an additional fee for a colored/shirt and socks and then buy shoes. Compare a few items to the cost of hockey equipment plus ice time. You could spend an entire soccer seasons cost on a hockey stick alone. There are tons of people who simply cannot afford to pay for their children to play. Looking back, I have no clue how my parents did it. Paid for 3 children to all play travel hockey growing up. Secondly, look at how much easier it is for kids to learn and play soccer, compared to learning to ice skate and play hockey. I know in Canada people say kids learn to skate when they can walk,..not sure how that holds true for most Canadian youngsters, but here in the US most of us don't have ice rinks in our back yard (would've been awesome if I did). You can walk and kick a ball and you can play soccer. Obviously soccer takes more talent than that to play as you mature, but realistically when you're 4 and 5 years old starting soccer, they run and chase a ball to kick. I see what you're trying to say, but I know here where I live soccer has always had probably 10x the amount of kids playing than compared to the kids playing hockey.

[RedWolf]

Now vendors are requesting refunds
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/11/...contracts.html

The Canadian Press reported that Peter Swinburn, CEO of Molson Coors, said the lockout has hurt sales of Molson Canadian and Coors Light beer in Canada. Swinburn said the beer company, which signed a seven-year deal with the NHL in February 2011, would seek compensation from the league once the lockout ends.

Hopefully this will push them towards an agreement, it would be ugly if the TV networks joined the refund parade.

[flex_buff_chest]

Everyone knows the Owners are sleazy. Look who they hired as their figurehead!!

Sick of the players trying to pass themselves off the the regular guy just looking to be paid a fair wage.

[chilly666]

Originally Posted by RedWolf

Now vendors are requesting refunds

Hopefully this will push them towards an agreement, it would be ugly if the TV networks joined the refund parade.

vendors asking for refunds is gonna help negotiations along?? oh boy