NHL Cancels Regular Season Games Through November 30th

[ChiefJunior]

Originally Posted by itsJ.Millertime

You can really tell a lot about a person from reading their responses to this lockout, for instance I can see who the white collar right wingers whose toughest part of their day is whipping their azz are and you can tell who the brainwashed rush limpball, shaun hannity fans are and I can tell the hard working people as well.

This is really just a more publicized example of what's going on all around the country between the rich ceos, owners and the people that do all the work to make those people rich. The corporation I work for has made record sales of over a BILLION dollars and record profits of well over 100 MILLION the last 3 years yet they continue to cut it's work force, have held back pay raises for 5 straight years and cut back on our pensions and health care every time a contract comes up. Yet somehow they find ways to pay bonuses to the corporate stooges and upper management that total more than my years pay every year. I'm not alone either and I'm sure there's dozens of people on this site going through the same thing I am if not worse.

I sure wish I had a union rep like Donald Fehr to stand up for me and get back what I deserve and I'm sure there's a lot of hard working people like myself thinking the same thing right now. The players deserve everything they get because it's them that's taking the health risks, it's them whose careers only last a few short years and it's them who the people pay to see play the game.

For all you right wingers taking the owners sides you're dead wrong and you would know that if you ever did a hard days work in your life. Nobody and do mean NOBODY is paying money to go watch the owners sit in their box.

Enough with the bull**** health risk crap. That is such a load of ****, these guys are so overpaid for what they do, they should be bending over backwards to not only the owners, but all the fans they care so much for .

Sorry bud, but the day I feel sorry for a person who will probably make more in a couple of years PLAYING a GAME, than I will in a lifetime, gets no sympathy from me. Oh, and I am in a union, so please don't give me no **** about cutbacks etc...

It is one thing when you're making a decent wage , ex $30 an hour & they wanna cut your wages, its a whole different thing when the players make $30 as they put one sock on.

[Gtrain15]

[Gtrain15]

what the hell am I gunna watch in February?

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Originally Posted by itsJ.Millertime

The corporation I work for has made record sales of over a BILLION dollars and record profits of well over 100 MILLION the last 3 years yet they continue to cut it's work force, have held back pay raises for 5 straight years and cut back on our pensions and health care every time a contract comes up. Yet somehow they find ways to pay bonuses to the corporate stooges and upper management that total more than my years pay every year. I'm not alone either and I'm sure there's dozens of people on this site going through the same thing I am if not worse.

And you feel the owners in the NHL are doing the same thing to the players? The players who make more in a year to play a game than you'll make in 10 years doing whatever you do? The guys who make more in an 8 year career to play a game than police officers and fire fighters will get in 20 years to save peoples lives?

You really believe the players are being cheated by their bosses and owners the same way you are by yours? You really believe that cutting back the salaries of people who make hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars is akin to cutting back the salaries of people who make tens of thousands of dollars?

[antonio106]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

With there being no NHL hockey i am going to more junior games then i normally do. Good affordable hockey and the players are not totally corrupted yet.

Except now I hear about labour negotiations with the newly formed CHLPA...it's not far behind!

[Killah_punk]

Originally Posted by antonio106

Except now I hear about labour negotiations with the newly formed CHLPA...it's not far behind!

They are filing legal action against my team too. Georges Laraque named executive director of junior hockey players union.

[JKidd]

Originally Posted by itsJ.Millertime

This is really just a more publicized example of what's going on all around the country between the rich ceos, owners and the people that do all the work to make those people rich. The corporation I work for has made record sales of over a BILLION dollars and record profits of well over 100 MILLION the last 3 years yet they continue to cut it's work force, have held back pay raises for 5 straight years and cut back on our pensions and health care every time a contract comes up. Yet somehow they find ways to pay bonuses to the corporate stooges and upper management that total more than my years pay every year. I'm not alone either and I'm sure there's dozens of people on this site going through the same thing I am if not worse.

J, I hear what you're saying and this is a great comparison. However, there is one major issue between what's going on with the NHL players and the owners; these players aren't looking for money to make a living. They're looking for money that most of us would never make in our lifetimes to play a ****ing game. This isn't stick welding or logistics work, it's a ****ing game.

I get the fact they want their slice of the pie. Trust me, I get that. However, in the grand scheme of it, these are millionaires fighting with billionaires over who is going to get MORE millions.

For example, this isn't you and I seeking a $4K a year raise. This is millionaires seeking to make $45M instead of $40M. The affect on life that extra money has, in the grand scheme of things, I mean c'mon J. If I got my girlfriend knocked up, I assure you I'd need that 4K a hell of a lot more than a pro hockey player getting his girl friend knocked up and "needing" that extra 5M.

Originally Posted by itsJ.Millertime

I sure wish I had a union rep like Donald Fehr to stand up for me and get back what I deserve and I'm sure there's a lot of hard working people like myself thinking the same thing right now. The players deserve everything they get because it's them that's taking the health risks, it's them whose careers only last a few short years and it's them who the people pay to see play the game.

It's their bodies, sure. But, it's the choice they made to play this game. And, they get to have all the money on the planet to pay for them to play this game. They also get everything they could want - health care coverage especially - to play this game.

What more could Fehr be standing up for? Oh yeah, them getting more of the "money they deserve" in an extra few millions.

Originally Posted by itsJ.Millertime

For all you right wingers taking the owners sides you're dead wrong and you would know that if you ever did a hard days work in your life. Nobody and do mean NOBODY is paying money to go watch the owners sit in their box.

You're right. Us who have to do a hard days work are dead wrong for saying that a guy making $40M to play a ****ing game is in the "right" for wanting to get as much as he can from his greedy billionaire franchise owner.

J, I see what you're trying to get at with this post, but this is beyond the scales of 'normal people' kind of comparisons. This is on the scale of excess living, and that's what it's so ****ing retarded and pathetic that we have billionaires and millionaires fighting it out.

You want to be pissed about people not getting what they "deserve" through all this, be pissed about the regular joes that work the arenas, bars, restaurants and everywhere else that relies on the NHL for work and to make a true living.

[HordiBrusk29]

I don't know how anybody can support either side. There is simply no excuse for a professional league or organization to have three lockouts in less than 20 years. That is completely unacceptable and a giant **** you to the fans.

I really don't give a **** if there is an NHL season or not. I truly don't. My interest in the NHL has dwindled to the point where it's almost nonexistent. Too many people act as though the NHL is the be all end all. It is not. There are many more leagues far more entertaining than the NHL.

I wish more fans would stick it to the league and not support this crap when the NHL does return, not only due to the boring ass sub par product, but due to the way an already borderline irrelevant league pisses on their fan base over and over again. Sadly, most fans will return in droves and the league will once again be the ones laughing.

[Ciccarelli]

Let this lockout continue until 2015. In the meantime you can move Phoenix up to Hamilton, Quebec will have the building finished and you can move the Florida Panthers up north, the Islanders can move to Brooklyn, the Jets can play in the Western Conference and the league can start over with half the Euros staying in Europe.

BTW until that year Bettman should be gone if possible.

[Maggie3and Me]

I thought this would be interesting to put up. As I was looking up some facts on the 2005 strike, I came across this article from a Forbes Magazine editor. No matter what side you are on, or, whether you believe it or not, it is relevant to what is being talked about here.

Mike Ozanian, Forbes Staff
SportsMoney
|9/15/2012 @ 5:12PM

Hockey Fans To Blame For NHL Lockout.

The National Hockey League is all but certain to begin its second lockout in eight years tonight. Blame the sport’s fans.

Among the four major team sports in North America, hockey is by far the most dependent on ticket revenue. During the 2010-11 season, the typical NHL team relied on gate receipts for half of their revenue. Last year the average team in the NFL, which has the richest national television deals (divided equally among all teams), got less than 25% of its revenue from ticket sales. The comparable figures in the NBA and MLB are 33% and 25%, respectively.

This means by simply staying away from the contests hockey fans can extract a much bigger pound of flesh than can supporters of the other three sports. It doesn’t matter if you turn off your television sets. The league’s new 10-year, $2 billion deal with NBC is such a small piece of the overall revenue pie that it is virtually inconsequential. What does matter is this number: $57, the average ticket price to see a hockey game ($9 more than basketball). Only eight teams out of 30 failed to sell at least 95% of their tickets during the 2011-12 season.

Following the 2004-05 NHL lockout the fans came back in droves. During the 2005-06 season 25 of the 30 teams had an increase in attendance from the 2003-04 season. Moreover, the average cost (tickets, concessions, parking, etc.) for a family of four rose from $256 in 2003-04, to $283 at the start of the 2007-08 campaign. The latest figures from Team Marketing Report, for 2011, show the average cost at $329, a 29% increase since the season before the 2004-05 lockout.

Thanks to the fans who continued to pour through the turnstiles, the value of the average NHL team has increased from $159 million in 2003, to $240 million last year, while the average salary for a hockey player has increased from $1.6 million to $2.4 million.

So rabid hockey fans (myself included) should not point fingers at NHL commissioner Gary Bettman or NHLPA boss Donal Fehr. We are to blame. Instead of punishing the owners and players after the last lockout we rewarded them. Why should we have expected better treatment this time around?

This is the site: http://www.forbes.com/sites/.../09/....or-nhl-lockout.

[Plateworker]

Originally Posted by ChiefJunior

Enough with the bull**** health risk crap. That is such a load of ****, these guys are so overpaid for what they do, they should be bending over backwards to not only the owners, but all the fans they care so much for .

Sorry bud, but the day I feel sorry for a person who will probably make more in a couple of years PLAYING a GAME, than I will in a lifetime, gets no sympathy from me. Oh, and I am in a union, so please don't give me no **** about cutbacks etc...

It is one thing when you're making a decent wage , ex $30 an hour & they wanna cut your wages, its a whole different thing when the players make $30 as they put one sock on.

See it is people like you that just don't have a clue. Whether they make a dollar or 1 million it is about principal and what is right. These owners who on average are worth 1.75 billion dollars will continue to exploit fan and player alike for everything they can get and people like you are stupid enough to blame the only reason people pay to come to the arena. Bending over backwards to a billionaire using their talents and our wallets to make more money? Are you kidding me? You sound like the executives that run my company. they just made record profits and locked us out for 29 days because they wanted to take our pensions and double our health care costs. Why because the greedy sob Shareholders wanted even more of the pie. Jmiller is right you probably never worked hard a day in your life and certainly never worked as hard as an athelete who spends his ENTIRE life dedicated to making what a very few in ALL the world make. That is the NHLWhat are there 700+ qualified players in all the world.... We sit back on our couches and say it is just a game and in a way you are right it is....to us....To someone who spends more hours then you can imagine from age 4-5 on to become the very best on the planet deserves a little something don't you think. Crosby makes what 10 Million a year...do you have any idea how much he generates for the NHL? So what your saying is a guy who generates appalling amounts of money for the NHL, basically keeping Pittsburgh afloat as a franchise and is one of the great players in all the world does not deserve that money but the owners do? For what exactly do the owners do to deserve this besides exploit YOU? Now that a cap is in place they will eventually become like the NBA and NFL where the REAL exploitation is. Is it right that the players have to play at least 8 years before freedom and Real payday when the average NHLer last 5-6 years? Is it right that they can only get 5% more a year from the year before so the Billionaire owner can make another dollar. New age fans come to see the stars like Crosby and Ovechkin, without them the NHL does not make 1.87 billion a year. I am all for the person doing the work getting the payday. F*ck the Billionaire owners Like Wang and company. I am sure you love the NFL, you know the league that Totally f*cks its fans and players by eating up Billions from their TV deal, Paying players non guaranteed contracts and suckers like you 30-50K for their PSL seats. All because you think we should all bend over backwards for them and say thank you for F*cking me can I please have another 13 dollar beer. And by the way I am NOT a liberal, I am a union man and I am not bitter or have money envy as you obviously do

[Killah_punk]

NHL? What NHL, I just got back from my 3rd hockey game this week. Cost me $32 for 2 tickets and $7 for parking and $12 for 2 beers. Good entertainment it was QMJHL. There was 10 goals scored in total, some good hits, and a fight. Pretty much everything that is dwindling away in the NHL game. Solid crowd tonight with a attendance of 7849 for a Sunday afternoon game. Oh yeah and the home team won it's 13th game in a row Go Mooseheads!

[antonio106]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

NHL? What NHL, I just got back from my 3rd hockey game this week. Cost me $32 for 2 tickets and $7 for parking and $12 for 2 beers. Good entertainment it was QMJHL. There was 10 goals scored in total, some good hits, and a fight. Pretty much everything that is dwindling away in the NHL game. Solid crowd tonight with a attendance of 7849 for a Sunday afternoon game. Oh yeah and the home team won it's 13th game in a row Go Mooseheads!

I'm getting a bunch of folks out from school organized up to go see a Hull/Halifax game on the 9th. Gonna be a damn fun game to watch!

[Killah_punk]

Originally Posted by antonio106

I'm getting a bunch of folks out from school organized up to go see a Hull/Halifax game on the 9th. Gonna be a damn fun game to watch!

Halifax has a killer team this year. MacKinnon22 and Drouin27 are ripping it up, they make everyone else look like there skating in cement blocks.

[sickofitall]

IMO the players should be happy with 50% of league revenues. Re: revenue sharing, why is it a one way street? Do the players put 50% of their endorsement contract value back into the league? No way!!!