NHL Cancels Regular Season Games Through December 14th and 2013 All-Star Game

[Jack Schitt]

I saw this article linked in a tweet by either Westgarth or Bissonette, I can't remember - at any rate, it's interesting reading for any conspiracy theorists and/or lawyer haters out there:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170585...troying-sports

[hi_from_ca]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

I've already put more effort into this conversation than I care about the league anymore, so I'm just going to make a couple quick points:


I love this comparison. I'm assuming you're talking about the revenue split, and not salary rollbacks (which I disagree with). When I have ALL of my medical bills paid for, the best country's best doctors in my back pocket, all of my travel expenses paid, many of my meals paid, and make millions over the course of a short career, THEN we can talk about handing over 7% of my paycheck. Until that happens, the analogy is ridiculously stupid and baseless. The owners foot the bill of everything and keep the league running. They put in the financial support, they should reap the majority of the financial benefits. The owner of whatever company you work at makes more money than you, despite you doing the labor. That's the way the business world works. Somehow, the players think they are entitled to the majority of the financial rewards of the organization they work for, despite being coddled and babied as much as they are. They have NO financial worries.

Don't bring up health risks either. That's the typical fallback response. The players don't risk their health any more than your average construction worker. But the players do get their full salary even if they miss the whole season with a torn ACL. Does that construction worker get his full salary?


Why shouldn't the owners' share go up, or stay where it is? What share do you make of your company's earnings?

The owners forced a 20+% concession from the players to existing contracts in the last lockout, and forced in their salary cap. Now they want another 7% (they wanted 14%), that the players have agreed to, in principle. The owners are offering a make whole provision for existing contracts that won't actually make them whole. It's basically forcing the players to loan the owners money, not only interest free, but the principle won't be repaid in total.

You ignore one MAJOR thing in your "The owner of whatever company you work at makes more money than you". In this case, the owners "concession" is that they'll only make just as much as all the players COMBINED. Yes, the owners have a few costs that they can't bury in the HRR definition (but not as many as you'd think, (travel, marketing costs, etc. are netted from gross revenue to determine HRR). But overall, they would have to really suck not to make more than anyone on the team in real dollars (don't forget, accountants are paid to show the team lost money, even if the arena management company made millions).

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by hi_from_ca

The owners forced a 20+% concession from the players to existing contracts in the last lockout, and forced in their salary cap. Now they want another 7% (they wanted 14%), that the players have agreed to, in principle. The owners are offering a make whole provision for existing contracts that won't actually make them whole. It's basically forcing the players to loan the owners money, not only interest free, but the principle won't be repaid in total.

You ignore one MAJOR thing in your "The owner of whatever company you work at makes more money than you". In this case, the owners "concession" is that they'll only make just as much as all the players COMBINED. Yes, the owners have a few costs that they can't bury in the HRR definition (but not as many as you'd think, (travel, marketing costs, etc. are netted from gross revenue to determine HRR). But overall, they would have to really suck not to make more than anyone on the team in real dollars (don't forget, accountants are paid to show the team lost money, even if the arena management company made millions).

It doesn't matter what the owners make. They're the owners. They're the ones who have the capital to run the business, and are entitled to a fair share of the financial benefits. That fair share is dictated by the CBA, which is obviously being negotiated. I don't think it's so terrible, from a business flow standpoint, the owners want a healthy return on their investment. The concept is the same as any other business. It doesn't matter that the NHL is a multibillion dollar business. There are many multibillion dollar businesses in this country where the executives get paid a king's ransom. Some accept it, others believe in wealth redistribution, which is what the players are arguing. At this point, it becomes more about political beliefs and how you believe the system should work.

The owners have been far from perfect, but let's not pretend the players union is being victimized.

[leon phelps]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

It doesn't matter what the owners make. They're the owners. They're the ones who have the capital to run the business, and are entitled to a fair share of the financial benefits. That fair share is dictated by the CBA, which is obviously being negotiated. I don't think it's so terrible, from a business flow standpoint, the owners want a healthy return on their investment. The concept is the same as any other business. It doesn't matter that the NHL is a multibillion dollar business. There are many multibillion dollar businesses in this country where the executives get paid a king's ransom. Some accept it, others believe in wealth redistribution, which is what the players are arguing. At this point, it becomes more about political beliefs and how you believe the system should work.

The owners have been far from perfect, but let's not pretend the players union is being victimized.

if they only wanted a fair shake, they would open the books.

[bruiser11]

Doesn't matter anymore. I've been enjoying the junior match ups. Glad they went national every week.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by bruiser11

Doesn't matter anymore..

Agreed. Even if they were able to come to an agreement, which I don't see happening, an abbreviated season would suck.

[Gunslinger]

While its true that if/when a season starts ( I would rather wait till next year at this point)I will watch since I love hockey, I find myself not missing it much at all. With a new wife (my second) and other things/sports to occuppy my time, life has gone on. And its true that both sides are to blame and I don't have any sympathy for either of them. The only losers in all this are the fans....again. But since when have we mattered?

[fansince65]

Originally Posted by Gunslinger

While its true that if/when a season starts ( I would rather wait till next year at this point)I will watch since I love hockey, I find myself not missing it much at all. With a new wife (my second) and other things/sports to occuppy my time, life has gone on. And its true that both sides are to blame and I don't have any sympathy for either of them. The only losers in all this are the fans....again. But since when have we mattered?

We the fans , the ones that pay most of the Billions the NHL makes ever year have never mattered and never will , that's what's sad about all this lockout crap .
Even if they do start up , I dont think I will attend one game , but I have to be honest , when the playoffs come around I will watch as will most of you guys , lets face it , we are hooked and just cant help ourselves , the Stanley Cup playoffs is the most exciting time of the year ..

[Killah_punk]

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by fansince65

We the fans , the ones that pay most of the Billions the NHL makes ever year have never mattered and never will , that's what's sad about all this lockout crap .
Even if they do start up , I dont think I will attend one game , but I have to be honest , when the playoffs come around I will watch as will most of you guys , lets face it , we are hooked and just cant help ourselves , the Stanley Cup playoffs is the most exciting time of the year ..

Honestly, my viewing of the NHL had been on a downward trend for acfew years now. I find that I only really watched games with the potential for fireworks, and most of the time would skip them altogether and just come HERE to see the highlights. The league has been sucking for the most part for years. The trend towards going back to more physical play seemed to be making a comeback... Then another lockout. Like you, I would be lying if I said I won't watch at all, but I will not buy a ticket, merchandise, center ice, or anything like that until I feel the parties involved have made sufficient amends- and I'm not holding my breath.

[BobNystromOwnsU]

Well, I'm glad the posters here aren't as optimistic as on some hockey sites. These clowns have given us no reason to have any faith in any of them.

[bustoff]

I say stop the fuking insanity and quit jerking the fans around. Every day leads into another of pure bullsh!t between the owners and players. Sick of it......

[Killah_punk]

NHL - 'Together We Can' change.org/nolockout (HD)...

[straka91]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

I saw this article linked in a tweet by either Westgarth or Bissonette, I can't remember - at any rate, it's interesting reading for any conspiracy theorists and/or lawyer haters out there:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170585...troying-sports

Its pretty common knowledge in America atleast, that once a business gets to a billion plus in revenues, money is all they are concerned about. Last I checked, the 4 leagues are billion dollar businesses. Its also common knowlege, that once a firm wins a big case in their clients favor, other clients in similar predictiments will flock to them. Not really a conspiracy its just capitalism at its worst. Plus majority of the same fans that will bitch about it, are also the first ones to take people to court over money related issues. America is a money hungry, sue happy nation and this just proves it.

The players are also at fault since they insist on making 250 grand a year after taxes (other expenses too) at the minimum (in the NHL anyways), to play a goddamned kids sport for a "career." Thats not including free travel and 5 star hotels. They can go suck a dick as well. The only players who I would side with in a labor dispute, are the ones in the minor leagues making slightly more than average joe money.

[NameyMD]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

NHL - 'Together We Can' change.org/nolockout (HD) - YouTube

I wish people would stop posting that gay ****ing video