NHL Cancels Regular Season Games Through December 14th and 2013 All-Star Game

[Killah_punk]

Originally Posted by skacore

Good thinking...who are some of the best available this year?

Well for Canada i would expect to see guys like Huberdeau, RNH, Scheifele, Strome, MacKinnon, Jenner on forward. On defense guys like Hamilton, Harrington, Reinheart, Reilly, Dumba and Murphy. Subban should be the main guy in nets.

[leon phelps]

I love hearing how owners take risks. open the books up and then let us see how much of a risk reward there really is.

We hear about teams losing money for long periods of time, but lets see a tax doc before we get another owner crying all the way to the bank.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally Posted by leon phelps

I love hearing how owners take risks. open the books up and then let us see how much of a risk reward there really is.

We hear about teams losing money for long periods of time, but lets see a tax doc before we get another owner crying all the way to the bank.

Good thing you like hearing it, because its true. The owners foot the bill for everything. From contracts to staffing to transportation to equipment to traveling and on and on. The expenses get paid whether 160 or 16000 fans show up. The contracts get paid if the player has a good year, or tanks. I assumed you were referring to my post, because I was the only one who used the term "risk" in this thread. You should probably note that the word FINANCIAL preceded the word risk. Tell me, Leon- what risks do the players take? Tell me about their health risk and I'll laugh at you.

[fansince65]

Originally Posted by Killah_punk

Well for Canada i would expect to see guys like Huberdeau, RNH, Scheifele, Strome, MacKinnon, Jenner on forward. On defense guys like Hamilton, Harrington, Reinheart, Reilly, Dumba and Murphy. Subban should be the main guy in nets.

Killah , the London Knights could have as many as 4 - 5 players playing in this tourney , they definitely will have three D-men playing , Scott Harrington for Canada (he is rumored as being the Captain) , Olli Maatta will play for Finland and Nikita Zadorov will play for Russia , that is the top three D from the Knights .
Rumor has it that Max Domi and Seth Griffith will be invited to the Canadian tryout camp , one or both of them could very well make the team , they have had scouts in the building the last four home games and following the team on their last three road games watching all 5 players .
The Knights D will be very thin during the tourney , Seth is second in scoring in the OHL , the Knights could be in real tough over Christmas in the games they play with the loss of so many top players ..

In my opinion I dont think Subban makes the team , just too many good goaltenders out west or or in the east , the goaltender I think that will come from the OHL will be Jordan Binnington of the Owen Sound Attack , he has the best record right now in the league , he is coming off three straight shutouts before he ran into the red hot London Knights last night ..

[Big Violence]

Originally Posted by itsJ.Millertime

So I guess you pay money to watch the owners sit in the luxury box?

Maybe when you grow up, move out of mommies house and get a job you'll think a little differently about the increasingly poor way the workers are treated in this country and obscene amounts of money owners and ceos make.

I understand what you're trying to say, but I disagree that these players are being treated poorly or unfairly. Unions are important for middle class working people such as myself. I work in a steel mill, I make a fair wage, and have good health benefits. If the company I work for wasn't unionized I'd be making 12 dollars an hour, if that, and have really crappy health care, or no health care at all. There is no way my family would be able to live like that because my wife has been sick and doesn't work. My wife just had major surgery done and we didn't have to pay a dime for it. All we paid was the 15 dollar co pay for the office visits, the surgery itself was fully covered by my health care. When it comes to these millionaire players, and Fehr and the players union, I think they're just as greedy as the owners. Both sides are equally as greedy, and equally at fault for this lockout.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Meanwhile Mario Lemieux just bought a new 20 million dollar home/castle in Montreal.

TORONTO SUN

The 15,000 square feet sprawling, Swiss castle-style mansion about 145 km north of Montreal has 23 rooms as well as 10 bathrooms.

The castle, which is made of stone and wood, is located on a piece of land close to Tremblant's golf course and ski hills. The castle also features a triple garage and a double garage, has an in-ground swimming pool and an outdoor tennis court with a heated floor.

The Tremblant home will remain his second residence, however, as the Penguins' owner also has a home in the Pittsburgh area.

Clearly the owners really give a sh1t about not having hockey revenue. The players and the union are imploding daily with every tweet, and here's Lemieux spending 20 million bucks ON A SECOND HOME.

Yeah keep waiting him out Sid. I'm sure Mario is ready to break any day now and cave to your demands. Any day now.

[JKidd]

I love Mario's indirect comments:

"It's not the time to talk about my personal affairs," Lemieux told QMI Agency through a spokesman with the Penguins organization.

It's not? What else is there to talk about, the hockey season we have going on? Or how much the owners and players can relate to other NHL employees who are missing work, and truly hurting?

What a prick.

[FightingIsGood]

Wow, talk about bad timing. Could this be any more in-your-face to the players? The Pens haven't really commented one way or the other in this whole mess, but that is a major statement to the players and fans that the owners really don't give a flying fukk if there's a season or not. Yeah, everyone else who isn't a multimillionaire is cooking the dog for dinner, but hey...at least I have my $20 million castle!

Not good form, Mario. Not good at all.

[nilan30]

Maybe he's always wanted a home there and one he wanted came up for sale now so he bought it. I wouldn't read too much into this.

[Phila26Flyers]

Originally Posted by nilan30

Maybe he's always wanted a home there and one he wanted came up for sale now so he bought it. I wouldn't read too much into this.

While it's no one's business what Mario does with his money, surely you can understand why people are upset that one of the very owners who is holding out for more money is purchasing $20 million in excess property.

[cookie monster]

I just saw on Sports Center that a federal mediator is now involved in the talks. No idea if that's good or bad.

[leon phelps]

Originally Posted by Jack Schitt

Good thing you like hearing it, because its true. The owners foot the bill for everything. From contracts to staffing to transportation to equipment to traveling and on and on. The expenses get paid whether 160 or 16000 fans show up. The contracts get paid if the player has a good year, or tanks. I assumed you were referring to my post, because I was the only one who used the term "risk" in this thread. You should probably note that the word FINANCIAL preceded the word risk. Tell me, Leon- what risks do the players take? Tell me about their health risk and I'll laugh at you.

I am guessing the thousands of hours practicing and playing up until they finally get a professional contract. Probably 1/100000 get paid. Since the price of ice time is free in your head, so must be sticks, transportation (since their parents pay it), the doctor co-pays when they get hurt (unless they are all knowing and all invincible like you), and the chance of diminished future earnings since plenty of people get hurt for the rest of their life.

I am sure there are plenty of ex-pros that are spoon fed or live with daily health issues (but that is not a risk to you).

I hope when you laugh at the last comment, your head is not in the lap of an owner. He would not appreciate it.

As the NHLPA says, open the books and well see exactly how much the owners are losing.

[leon phelps]

Originally Posted by Phila26Flyers

While it's no one's business what Mario does with his money, surely you can understand why people are upset that one of the very owners who is holding out for more money is purchasing $20 million in excess property.

Actually it IS considering Mario got ownership of the team because the Pens didnt have enough money to pay him.

Now that he owns the team, OUR state paid 1/3 of the price of his stadium, with the city paying 1/3 and his ownership team reaping 100% of the bounty.

When you read this about Mario, you understand the scope of what owners make.

[BruinsBeatdown]

Originally Posted by Big Violence

Unions are important for middle class working people such as myself. I work in a steel mill, I make a fair wage, and have good health benefits. If the company I work for wasn't unionized I'd be making 12 dollars an hour, if that, and have really crappy health care, or no health care at all. There is no way my family would be able to live like that because my wife has been sick and doesn't work.

What happened to supply and demand? What makes you think you are worth more than 12 an hour? Do you have any specialized training or skills that separates you from a walmart worker being trained for the same position?

That is the difference between you and these players. You can't be trained to do their job, but the average stiff can be trained to do yours. This is the whole reason why they have the NHL by the balls...and rightfully so. You on the other hand are just looking for an overinflated wage and benefits that cost the rest of the working class, when Joe Schmo can do yours with minimal training. I know, truth hurts.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Originally Posted by BruinsBeatdown

What happened to supply and demand? What makes you think you are worth more than 12 an hour? Do you have any specialized training or skills that separates you from a walmart worker being trained for the same position?

That is the difference between you and these players. You can't be trained to do their job, but the average stiff can be trained to do yours. This is the whole reason why they have the NHL by the balls...and rightfully so. You on the other hand are just looking for an overinflated wage and benefits that cost the rest of the working class, when Joe Schmo can do yours with minimal training. I know, truth hurts.

No matter how unskilled that Walmart worker is, we (society) still need them. We need people, specialized training or not, to work and fill positions in various real life industries. Hockey on the other hand doesn't matter.

Doesn't take a lot of skill to stock shelves, but what would happen if there were suddenly no shelf stockers anywhere? What would the grocery store look like? How would that Walmart look? How would any store with shelves look? Society would legitimately suffer.

Does society suffer because there is no NHL? The "specialized training" the players possess allows them to play a game. You're talking about entertainers like they even remotely play a role in the core of society.

How much skill does it take to be a garbage man? Would you rather have a society with unskilled garbage men, or specially trained hockey players?

One is relevant, the other isn't.