Matt Carkner...Pass/Fail?

[fcm]

Matt Carkner is an enforcer, right?

What he did there was enforcing, right?

Absolute pass.

[cashman rules]

I hope he does it again too!

[mikebflorida]

I think it's great, it's about the only sign of enforcing I've seen in these playoffs, the rest has been visored fairies pushing and shoving and the occasional crap fight.

I like that Boyle roughed up a Swede, I like that Carkner roughed up Boyle, I like that Boyle answered the bello against Neil.

It's all good.

Time to move on.

[bigjack]

Originally Posted by Johnny Pie

game one

What your not getting is that the whole feeling of the series shifted when Carkner took some action. Carkner was surprised that Boyle the guy with major guts didn't stand up for himself . Carkner is surely going to instigate
a fight with him he has to know this. Boyle took shots at the star of the Sens in game one,the Rangers were having their way with the Sens in game one. All of the post game talk was about how the Rangers manhandled the Sens. They showed the hilite of Boyle punching Karlsson over and over to show how the tough Rangers handled the Sens. If the Sens do nothing in game two, easy series for the Rangers. Everyone would be talking about how the Sens didn't protect their star, how they were pushed around. Well as it turns out they killed the penalty for the most part and the Sens played alot different since that point. Now its a tough series.

What feeling, the Senators got a goal off DelZotto and two with all kinds of traffic in front and were shutout last night and are losing 2-1.
I saw Boyle play a great game last night and was voted the 3rd star and he put the Rangers ahead in game 2.
Boyle has played great this series with 12 shots on goal in 3 games and 3 goals.
Staal fuc*ed up allowing Foligno to score with 4 and a half minutes left and the Neil goal was on a scramble in overtime!
The Rangers had game 2 and DelZotto fuc*ed up and Staal fuc*ed up and those were 2 fortunate goals for the Senators and not as the result of the Carkner actions.
I'll take being ahead two games to one and if the Rangers had scored a few PP goals on the Carkner major and that cost the Senators, the media would be killing him as some selfish stooge.
He was just lucky that the Rangers PP sucked!

[smashem]

Originally Posted by antonio106

What Carkner did was an absolute, all out physical assault on Bryan Boyle. Which is why I bought his jersey in advance of game 4 tomorrow night.



Go Sens go.

Why not XBox 360.

[pesadillamal]

It was a pass on all acounts. Great job by Carkner but really the biggest reason is because his team had his back. They killed off the penalty and played a very passionate game. If they thought it was excessive and just went through the motions after that while giving up 2 or 3 goals on the power play then it would be crazy to say it was a smart move in a playoff game. The pass belongs to the whole Ottawa team more than just Carkner and we can't forget MaClean for having the balls to let it happen.

As for Boyle I find it very wrong to think he owes anybody on that team a fight let alone Carkner. I have seen Chris Neil instigate a fist fight with Staal while declining Orr and every other enforcer we have had since. I love the way Ottawa plays because they are willing to cross the line but the Rangers owe them nothing and especially not for some rabbit punches with the gloves on. Good on Ottawa for rallying around that but I don't need to hear them crying to the media about Boyle defending himself just because Carkner wants to fight.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

Originally Posted by bigjack

Here is the absolute bottomline that I am amazed that noone gets:

If the Rangers scored 2 or 3 goals on the Carkner major penalty and won game 2, Carkner would of looked like an idiot and been killed.

Originally Posted by bigjack

I'll take being ahead two games to one and if the Rangers had scored a few PP goals on the Carkner major and that cost the Senators, the media would be killing him as some selfish stooge.
He was just lucky that the Rangers PP sucked!

All those years of watching hockey, yet you seem to be the one who doesn't get it.

How do you think the Senator players felt watching a giant in Boyle slap around one of their best players? Not to good would be the answer.

Now how do you think they felt after watching Carkner take no sh1t and get in there and lay a beating on a turtling p*ssy? Pretty f*cken good would be the answer.


Try to follow along.

Yes, Carkner would have looked the fool had the Rangers filled the net on the PP. But they didn't. You (because you're a homer) seem to believe the only reason is because the Rangers PP failed them.

How about looking at it from the point of view that the Senators were so pumped from watching Carkner right Boyle's wrong that they took it upon themselves to make sure the Rangers didn't score. They took it upon themselves to "have Carkner's back" the best way they could after he had theirs.

That's how momentum works Jack. That's how teams play together and stick together.

[BROKEN*ORBITAL]

As for the thread,

Pass Carkner.

Fail homer goof who created it, and continously tried to defend it.

[BullyFan]

A+ for Carkner. That was the definition of enforcing. Not sure how anyone with an account here can question that.

[flex_buff_chest]

Originally Posted by rtocchet

For the last time.....my point wasn't that Carkner did anything wrong. I did say that Boyle's "roughing" of Karlsson was weak and nothing worth getting all crazy about. All I was saying is while the role of policeman is necessary and for the most part effective.....I found this time it was great for fight fans like us......but ineffective as far as intimidation was concerned. If anything it fired up Boyle to play even better. If you don't see that.....well then I guess we will all have to agree to disagree.
PS---I did like Carkner when he was kicking real heavyweight ass and taking names!!! He has just fizzled out way too early. He played like 30 games and had 3 fights. Not what I expect from a man who no too long ago was a stud in this league. Probably the coaches fault!

Once again I have to define enforcing to people. If you hung around the site enough you would understand how ironic that really is.

Now, even if Boyle didn't rough guys up that much, it's Carkners job to cut that sh*t off at the pass. If he doesn't do that he doesn't have a job and it's that simple.

It may have fired Boyle up (which you would expect, unless he ACTUALLY has a vag) and that's the risk you take when you start a fight, it may very well fire the opposition up but that isn't Carkners problem.

As for how many games/fights he has, I don't see what that has to do with the issue at hand.

[antonio106]

Originally Posted by smashem

Why not XBox 360.

If that is in reference to the wii on the floor in that pic, there's a PS3 inside the cabinet, being more or less obstructed in that picture by the jersey/chair.

[rtocchet]

Originally Posted by flex_buff_chest

Once again I have to define enforcing to people. If you hung around the site enough you would understand how ironic that really is.

Now, even if Boyle didn't rough guys up that much, it's Carkners job to cut that sh*t off at the pass. If he doesn't do that he doesn't have a job and it's that simple.

It may have fired Boyle up (which you would expect, unless he ACTUALLY has a vag) and that's the risk you take when you start a fight, it may very well fire the opposition up but that isn't Carkners problem.

As for how many games/fights he has, I don't see what that has to do with the issue at hand.

"It may have fired Boyle up (which you would expect, unless he ACTUALLY has a vag) and that's the risk you take when you start a fight, it may very well fire the opposition up but that isn't Carkners problem."

And there is the point of my thread. NOT that Carkner did anything wrong. NOT that I am opposed to the policeman role. NONE of the things that people are saying. Carkner did what he had to do......my point wasn't if it was right or wrong.....BUT.....did it have a negative effect??? I enjoyed the whole scene....but just thought it fired up Boyle to become an animal in this series. That is why I said FAIL. I KNOW IF CARKNER DOES NOTHING THEN HE IS OUT OF A JOB. Not my point! Ok....on to game 4! Guess we will see if anything happens so we can re-visit this tremendous insight by everyone!

[mikebflorida]

Carkner did what he had to do.

Saying it could have backfired is kind of irrelevant at this point. It very well could have but it didn't.

I suppose the only way for you to change your mind is if Carkner beat Boyle up so bad so he couldn't play and wouldn't have scored any goals.

[T-Wild76]

I thought what Carkner did was entertaining and a bit over the top for a playoff game but still fun to watch, not a fan of Boyle but he is on a hot streak. I think a 1 game suspension wasn't enough for that kind of jumping...J.F. Jacques got a 3 game suspension in preseason for doing the same thing. I kind of like the fact he only got the one game, I hope he's in the the line up tonight...I'd like to see John Scott in and Kreider out...because if Torts thinks Rupp can handle it after what Shelley did to him he's wrong.

Matt Carkner vs Michael Rupp Oct 18, 2010 -...

[Morning Wood]

Originally Posted by rtocchet

"It may have fired Boyle up (which you would expect, unless he ACTUALLY has a vag) and that's the risk you take when you start a fight, it may very well fire the opposition up but that isn't Carkners problem."

And there is the point of my thread. NOT that Carkner did anything wrong. NOT that I am opposed to the policeman role. NONE of the things that people are saying. Carkner did what he had to do......my point wasn't if it was right or wrong.....BUT.....did it have a negative effect??? I enjoyed the whole scene....but just thought it fired up Boyle to become an animal in this series. That is why I said FAIL. I KNOW IF CARKNER DOES NOTHING THEN HE IS OUT OF A JOB. Not my point! Ok....on to game 4! Guess we will see if anything happens so we can re-visit this tremendous insight by everyone!

Seriously want to re-visit? The Sens have played inspired, physical hockey andn should be up three games to one. The only reason for the outcome of game two is Lundqvist. AND when the Rangers had the lead, who assisted on the first of three unanswered goals? I do not see a negative effect at all. I think this thread is a dead issue now that the series is tied at two and the question before us has been answered. You may stop being angry now...