Conference Finals: #3 Phoenix Coyotes vs #8 Los Angeles Kings

[thepolishkid88]

First off I'd like to say I think the winner of this series wins the cup. With that said I really think the Kings have a great team, but at the end of the day I'd say majority of the media and hockey world is underestimating the Yotes.

So I took the Yotes to win in 7 games.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by lakingsfan19

I still can't understand why PHX defense has got a lot of credit before this game. I thought they always give up a ton of shots and Smith bails them out.

Ekman-Larrson was having the most problems last night and was a -3. I thought old man Morris was their best defenseman on the ice.

Like Tippett said last night, The Yotes can't be out played and expect to win like some of their other playoff games. They need to clean up their defense and try to figure out The Kings forecheck, Smith can't win them this series. If they don't, this can be as Quick as the Blues series.

I think Tippett will have them playing better in game 2... But, the Blues did try to figure it out and they couldn't. We shall see.

The game is about puck possession. The coyote forewards are not that skilled. They dont particulariy forecheck that well.

Hence the D on the Yotes has an incredible amount of pressure put on them. they are actually very well rounded and quite good.

Your welcome L.A. sports fan.

[brymaster1]

Originally Posted by canuck2

The game is about puck possession. The coyote forewards are not that skilled. They dont particulariy forecheck that well.

Hence the D on the Yotes has an incredible amount of pressure put on them. they are actually very well rounded and quite good.

Your welcome L.A. sports fan.

Sure didn't play like it last night, Klesla was trying to catch up to people the entire game, he was always out of place. The only reason Morris is getting any positive attention is because he scored a once in a career goal, he had multiple turnovers, Yandle was average, and OEL was was invisible. Maybe the Kings forecheck is just really that good, seeing as they made the even better Blues defense look non-existent for the first few games.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

Doan is a dirty a$$hole. Not sure why people like the guy. He's dirtier than Paulina Gretzkys snatch.

You must watch very little hockey.

I wish Doan would play more often with an edge. He has at times in the playoffs for sure but the guy is a beast when he gets a bit angry.

He's not a dirty player. He's a rock. I love how he bitch slapped Richards to the ice yesterday. Richards came up crying. That was sweet.

And you're complaining?

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by brymaster1

Sure didn't play like it last night, Klesla was trying to catch up to people the entire game, he was always out of place. The only reason Morris is getting any positive attention is because he scored a once in a career goal, he had multiple turnovers, Yandle was average, and OEL was was invisible. Maybe the Kings forecheck is just really that good, seeing as they made the even better Blues defense look non-existent for the first few games.

One game and your sure surmise an awful lot.

Reread my post. The lack of puck handling/possession and forecheck by the Yotes puts an awful lot of pressure on the coyotes defense.

The coyotes D lead the NHL in post season points.

[brymaster1]

Originally Posted by canuck2

One game and your sure surmise an awful lot.

Reread my post. The lack of puck handling/possession and forecheck by the Yotes puts an awful lot of pressure on the coyotes defense.

The coyotes D lead the NHL in post season points.

Just because their D leads the NHL in point doesn't mean they are great in their own zone. Phoenix actually reminds me a lot of St. Louis, their defensive stats were padded because of how well their goaltenting was during the season. And before you say anything about the Kings regular season, yes Quick was a huge reason they made it to the playoffs, but their D has ben great all year long.

[lakingsfan19]

Originally Posted by canuck2

One game and your sure surmise an awful lot.

Reread my post. The lack of puck handling/possession and forecheck by the Yotes puts an awful lot of pressure on the coyotes defense.

The coyotes D lead the NHL in post season points.

That is not what what I was talking about. I know they are a good offensive bunch on "D". I am talking about limiting shots and playing "D". They seem to give up a lot of shots and turn the puck over a lot. I didn't watch every Yotes playoff game, but the ones I did, it seemed the shots against was always high.

Maybe your on to something with the forwards not coming back and helping out or getting in the lanes so the "D" can move the puck up quickly. I did notice it seemed the Yotes "D" like to skate the puck out. Whatever it is, it will have to be better. I do think Tippett is cable and will address it before game 2.

Game 2 will tell us a lot, Yotes win and everyone will forget game 1.. Kings win and this series could be over quick.

[straka91]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

Doan is a dirty a$$hole. Not sure why people like the guy. He's dirtier than Paulina Gretzkys snatch.

His hockey IQ is through the roof, one of the smartest hockey minds out there... He is classy off the ice... He has stayed with the same organization for his entire career. A lot of it in PHX of all places... When he wants to he can become a checking machine...

What player isnt dirty? The few Lady Byng players maybe? Winning is seeing how much you can get away with.


Kings in 6. Yotes are resilient bastards.

[canuck2]

Originally Posted by lakingsfan19

That is not what what I was talking about. I know they are a good offensive bunch on "D". I am talking about limiting shots and playing "D". They seem to give up a lot of shots and turn the puck over a lot. I didn't watch every Yotes playoff game, but the ones I did, it seemed the shots against was always high.

Maybe your on to something with the forwards not coming back and helping out or getting in the lanes so the "D" can move the puck up quickly. I did notice it seemed the Yotes "D" like to skate the puck out. Whatever it is, it will have to be better. I do think Tippett is cable and will address it before game 2.

Game 2 will tell us a lot, Yotes win and everyone will forget game 1.. Kings win and this series could be over quick.

I realize that them leading the league in points has nothing to do with what you were talking about.

BUt as I tried to explain twice to brzmaster the coyotes forwards are not a puck possesion bunch, nor do they forecheck particularily well. That's not a good combination and puts an awful lot of pressure on the D. The Kings, much like the Hawks are great at puck possession. In other words they have the puck a lot.
for the amount of pressure exerted on them the Coyotes D is actually very solid. Lot of good two way guys, tough too. but when you're on the defense a lot your going to turn the puck over and make mistakes. trust me if the coyotes had an average D they would get blown out, wether they had Mike Smith in net or not.
The offense I mention from the coyotes D is just a good bonus and proves how good two way they are.
The Kings looked very very good last night, I cant imagine the Yotes beating these guys.

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

I didn't say he wouldn't answer the bell, I just said he was dirty.

At times yes. You have to be to some extent when you are a physical player.
However you are over exaggerating how "dirty" he really is. As a matter of fact I'd argue Doan is too nice most of the time. Sometimes I wish he would play with more of a chip on his shoulder and be more aggressive and assertive.

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

He's an Iginla wannabe, a guy who fights because he just elbowed someone in the head where Iginla fights to rally his team or because he threw a big, clean hit. Big difference.

I will agree with that statement. Ironically both guys are close friends and former teammates. Doan doesn't have that nasty edge that Iginla does.

Regardless my point is there are a lot more pros when it comes to Shane Doan than there are cons. That right there should shed some light as to why many other hockey fans like the guy.

[mikebflorida]

Originally Posted by canuck2

You must watch very little hockey.

I wish Doan would play more often with an edge. He has at times in the playoffs for sure but the guy is a beast when he gets a bit angry.

He's not a dirty player. He's a rock. I love how he bitch slapped Richards to the ice yesterday. Richards came up crying. That was sweet.

And you're complaining?

He's been suspended twice for dirty cheap shots. The guy is a dirty player. He hides behind a visor. Some call that playing with an edge but I call it being a pu$$y. Fock Doan, he's been a loser his whole career, he never wins diddily squat and he wilts in the playoffs, averaging quite a bit less ppg when crunch time rolls around but he's usually at bible summer camp during the playoffs. There are 50 players I'd pick before him when starting a team, maybe more.

I've probably forgotten more about hockey than most fans know and it's easy for me to see what kind of player he is and isn't. I think it's hilarious when people root for dirty players, shows how hypocritical they are.

I should ask even though I'll get some retarded response but when was it ok for a player to elbow a guy in the head and then fight someone else who is pissed off about it? I must have been absent the day they were teaching respect for other players. That's focked up.

[mike56]

Originally Posted by mikebflorida

He's been suspended twice for dirty cheap shots. The guy is a dirty player. He hides behind a visor. Some call that playing with an edge but I call it being a pu$$y. Fock Doan, he's been a loser his whole career, he never wins diddily squat and he wilts in the playoffs, averaging quite a bit less ppg when crunch time rolls around but he's usually at bible summer camp during the playoffs. There are 50 players I'd pick before him when starting a team, maybe more.

I've probably forgotten more about hockey than most fans know and it's easy for me to see what kind of player he is and isn't. I think it's hilarious when people root for dirty players, shows how hypocritical they are.

I should ask even though I'll get some retarded response but when was it ok for a player to elbow a guy in the head and then fight someone else who is pissed off about it? I must have been absent the day they were teaching respect for other players. That's focked up.

OK,You have now just cossed over to full on retard.

[HordiBrusk29]

Originally Posted by mike56

OK,You have now just cossed over to full on retard.

That happened a long time ago....

[mikebflorida]

Come on now guys, everything I said was true.

Doan is a decent player, never said he was a bad player, just said he was a dirty player.

You guys over rate him badly. That's not retarded, it's true.

I'd make a list of players I'd pick long before him when making a team but why bother? I'm not going to change your minds apparently. The facts speak for themselves, he's been suspended twice before, probably gotten away with numerous other questionable plays in his career, and he wilts in the playoffs. The stats don't lie. He's been playing with the franchise for like 17 years or something and has made the playoffs 7 times including this year and has 26 points in 51 playoff games, about a half point per game while he has about .75 points per game in the regular season.

So, if he even gets his team to the playoffs, he wilts. He's also been a minus player most of his career, -25 to be exact.

Also has two 3 game suspensions for dirty hits. What? Were they accidents?

Hate to bombard you with facts but there they are. I think he's highly over rated, just my opinion.

Onward

[NickDoh]

Today is the day for fights. With an S.