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Old 12-11-2012, 11:31 AM
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Mark Messier- Tough or Dirty?

I think we all know that Mark Messier was a great hockey player and a revered captain of Stanley Cup winning teams.

He is arguably the greatest captain in NHL history, a true leader on the ice, the bench, and in the locker room.

However, he is known in some circles as being a tough guy, even showing up in one of Stan Fischler's books, Bad Boys.

Was he a tough guy though or just a thug with a reputation, someone not to be messed with because of his stature in the league?

Marty McSorely beat him down twice, gets real tough with Joel Otto while he's on his knees pinned to 4 other players, gets real tough with Darius Kasparitis throwing a punch while the little bastard has his gloves on, gets real tough with midget Jason Blake, almost choking him out in this small compilation of Mark Messier "fighting".

Mark Messier Fights - YouTube



Here's Mess jumping wildly into a scrum and jumping Jason Arnott from behind. As the linesman has Arnott in a bear hug, Mess takes a cheap shot at Arnott while he's defenseless. Is this a trend?

Mark Messier vs Jason Arnott & Patrik Elias...



Since I can't seem to find any more fights, here are the cheap shots that i know this guy for, here's 3 against the Pittsburgh Penguins alone-

3 Messier elbows (dirty) 95-96 playoffs - YouTube



Total cheap shot on Mike Modano, at least he didn't use his elbow that time-

Mark Messier kills Mike Modano - YouTube



Wait, I found another "fight" against Vladimir Konstantinov- wow. Mess is so scary even the linesman doesn't want to tangle with him!

Mark Messier vs Vladamir Konstantinov - YouTube



Here's another cheap shot on Frank Musil-

Mark Messier Elbows Frank Musil - CHEAPSHOT -...



Here's another one at the end of this video on a Toronto player-

Messier elbows Degray, hits 87-88 - YouTube



Here's another-

Messier Head Shot - YouTube



Here's Captain Courageous getting tough with Valeri Zelepukin, he really loses his temper-

Mark Messier vs Valeri Zelapukin - YouTube



Heres another typical Messier "fight" against Zarley Zalapski, throws a cheap shot as the linesmen holds the OTHER guy. What a dick-

Mark Messier vs Zarley Zalapski - YouTube







I'll never forget his elbow on Ric Nattress way back when but can't seem to find video of it.

The guy got away with murder on the ice because he was so "respected" by other players and officials and I still cannot figure out why.

Why is he lumped in with real tough guys who don't throw cheap shots? 50 fights in his career, playoffs included and was there a single one where he squared off and actually traded punches? I can find no evidence of this, only him throwing cheap shots, gloved punches, face washes, elbows, knees, leaving his feet, using his stick, the guy was as dirty as any super pest like Matt Cooke and he really hurt guys but he's known as a "leader" and a "super star".

That really bugs me.
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