Originally Posted by srehm1
Semenko gave probert a beating in their first fight?? Sammy mugged probert and was about to get what was coming to him had Gallant not jumped in! Way to spin that one.
Nilan beat probert?? a draw in a sh!t fight!
Wilson beat clark twice?? I had him in a draw in a great fight and an edge to wilson in round two.
I had a huge post all set to go but the site froze on me.
Again spider if you want to downplay how great probert was in his prime-by all means do. If you read my post CORRERCTLY i stated probert avenged his losses in HIS FIRST 9 SEASONS. I was comparing their first 9 years because wilson only played 9 season yet some on this site seem so focused on probert's losses in his 15 or 16th season. So using probert's first 9 seasons, or his entire time with detroit, would level the playing field a bit. probert was obviously past his prime in chicago and you can tell because he would shrug off a loss and at times wouldn't fare well in rematches. he wasn't the SAME fighter, yet some expect him to be this unfailing titan for 16 seasons!
Wilson was a great fighter but like i mentioned before he has always been the junior partner of my holy trinity with the weakest grip on his spot. I think he was a great fighter with a great uppercut although kind of a one armed bandit. I just think his era was weaker or less competitive than probert's. strength of opposition goes a long way with me and probert has wilson beat by far in that regard as well as outdistancing him in other categories as well (in my eyes). He had few losses and this does him credit. again that era was known for having fighters who finshed their careers with few losses as i mentioned before yet you'll never hear jonathan's name as #1 all-time or gillies or fotiu or wensink-all with relatively low fight and loss totals. Both wilson and probert jumped out at me as being geat fighters when i first got into this hobby. they were the first two i really looked at as being the best and i sort of gravitated towards them as favorites. However there was no doubt in my mind who was the better of the two. nice debate. good to hear both sides. what was this thread about again?
Wilson was a one armed bandit ?? Yes. Brown never used his right either ..both one armed bandits . Probert's left was thrown awkwardly and was only used when the right was too busted up or it was tied up.
As far as HW from BW era with few losses...all mentioned had bad losses:
Jonathan TKO/KO to Gillies
Wensink speedbagged by Nystrom, beat up by LP
Playfair with a handful of tko/Ko losses
Fotiu beat up by Jack Mac, shut out by Nystrom, and beat up by Gord Lane
Nystrom dropped by Schoenfeld and badly bloodied by Hutchison
Gillies was beat up by TO(ONCE), and BW , possibly tk'd by Paradise although I 've seen LP and Gillies in people top 5 .
Again these were clear cut losses, some very bad..these didn't happen with Big Behn. Why?? It was his style...he was very strong, very technical, had a great chin, powerful punch, and was a mean warrior. It's a bad combination. It doesn't matter the era , but yes in the tougher era he'd of had more losses but I still think his record would've been slightly better than Probies.
What used to drive me nuts about Probie is how he would jump in and hold onto a guy (Ewen 3 -4, Kevin Mac, Grimson, Crowder,etc) and allow them to pound away( or try) and then open up . Of course this strategy backfired a few times when he couldn't over come the bad start. I asked him point blank about that Ewen 3 fight "Why did you get in close?" He said " I didn't wanna get caught early" . It almost seemed like he had to get mad.. and then start to fight..but clearly the first Ewen fight had an effect on his confidence..but I told him if he didn't put his chin out there ..he'd never been KO'd EVER !! But he loved to use his reach and keep his face away from the other guy..problem with that is chin is wide open
I agree with Spider' bad losses can't be erased. But had BW had any horrible losses he would've avenged them IMO. It was just near impossible to beat him like that..in any era. BW era was the same era as Playfair and LP had some pretty bad losses
If I was asked who achieved more in their careers fight wise it's obviously Probert, but when asked who the best pure fighter I say Behn Wilson
. It's all hypothetical but that's how I see it.