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Old 08-29-2002, 09:36 PM
jmiller jmiller is offline
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Blues, Reaps is right. Its easy to forget the guys of the past. Indeed your list if chock full of quality guys, but there are glaring all time status omissions. Your list is excellent if its lets say 1990 on or something.

first off Twist does not belong in the top 10. I dont see top 20 either but its all opinion I guess.

I would say your omissions are Wilson, Fotiu, Playfair, and maybe Nystrom and Gilles for starters. Obviously, it depends on if you can get enough foootage of all these guys because if you cant its hard to be objective. Anyway, these guys had much more sold careers and dominance over the fighters they faced and they faced many good fighters every night.

Semenko is also high I think. He was a GREAT enforcer but not the greatest fighter. To me he is like a Schultz.

Your bottom 10 is where it may be weak. These 3 were all great fighters but I even think Miller does not belong in the top 10. Again, if you are talking primes maybe, but he had some terrible losses near the end of career. It was a health problem but still they are there.

The 11-20 has the names but Chase (with all due respect) does not belong in the top 30. Ewen is very suspect and Crowder does not have the card to really place anywhere near this. Byers is a stretch when you look at the fact that other B's (Wensink and Jonathan) have better records althoguh Byers' card is strong.

You are not picking stiffs its just that depending on how you look at "all time" there might be better choices. What is your opinion of Dave Williams? He is the all time PIM leader. How about Stan Jonathan? (5'7" 175 lbs)
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